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Re: HP LaserJet Tank – Refillable laser printer

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Post by Wistar »

bayindirh wrote: post #28
tinus_hn wrote: post #12

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In other news one toner of a generic HP laser printer prints about 3500 pages, without apps or subscription. And then you can send them to HP and they’ll recycle it for free, if you care about the environmental impact. I don’t quite understand what is the market for this product.

The biggest problem with higher end printers are on the long tail. I have a very nice Samsung laser printer. Networked, has duplex printing, fast, 3000 page toner and 9000 page imager with all replaceable rollers and everything. The thing is, it was built jointly with Xerox, and Samsung sold the division to HP. It's almost 10 years old, and can easily live for a decade more, but finding toners and imaging units becom…

I, too, am fond of the Samsung laser printers of yore. They are one of the very few laser printers that have a simple paper path and the built-in provisions to print on heavy stock. At the time, perhaps 4–5 years ago, the toner cartridges were about $35–$40 and lasted a good long time. About two years ago, I went to buy toner and the price was $135 and they were out of stock.

I ended up replacing it with a Brother.

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Post by dublin »

bregma wrote: post #32
waynesonfire wrote: post #7

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uhh.. or maybe just chemistry? you can fill the tank with urine if you want but YMMV.

That's fine for the magenta but what about the cyan, yellow, and black?

Methylene blue works both as a nootropic and a cyan urine ink source! (Dosing is often roughly "keep going until you pee blue all the time"...)

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Post by sf_rob »

osrec wrote: post #55
bayindirh wrote: post #45

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> Requires the HP Smart app download. To be able to scan your documents to your phone directly. > Subscription may be required; subscription may not be available in all countries For some advanced, Prizmo-like scan features and OCR which are probably cloud based. > Get up to 5,000 pages or up to 2 years of pre-filled toner Considering printers at same size provides ~3000 pages, that's good. 2 years is probably printi…

In my experience, the best Linux support has been from brother. Also, their printers seem more light weight (in a good way), and their compatible ink is cheaper. Good for basic documents etc, but probably not for printing photos.

I love my Brother, but their Mac support is (was?) laughable. Their main support path is to download the Brother app to load a PDF you output to your filesystem and send it to your printer. I'm clueless about the subtleties of printer drivers on Mac's but their solution was so clunky. Works flawlessly on Windows and with some minor tweaks on Linux Mint.

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Post by alyandon »

criddell wrote: post #34
pcdoodle wrote: post #24

HP got all of us to recommend brother due to HP's horrible software and customer abuse. I don't think that damage can be undone.

Brother says "hold my beer". > https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31860131

That is extremely disappointing to see as I'm in the market for a new printer and I guess Brother is no longer in consideration. :(

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Post by [deleted] »

ommz wrote: post #8

> Requires the HP Smart app download. > Subscription may be required; subscription may not be available in all countries > HP account required for full functionality > Get up to 5,000 pages or up to 2 years of pre-filled toner The disclaimers, or more succinctly, the anti-feature section.

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Post by pnutjam »

selectodude wrote: post #27
andrewia wrote: post #17

Bad news from the Q&A section of one of the printers: > With the enhancements giving the new drum a 50k page life it's no longer intended to be a user-serviced part and won't be sold via retail channels. That said, it is still able to be replaced through an HP Service Center or HP Parts in the event it is needed to be replaced.

It's annoying news but my Brother laser, regarded for its serviceability, needs new drums every 12-15k pages at $90/ea. That's on top of $75 toner cartridges every 5-7k pages. This $400 printer with $30 ink refills that ends up being disposable at the end of its service live has a lower TCO than anything else I've seen.

so $400+$240 every 12,000+ pages, vs $400+$300 (10 x $30) for about 2,200+ pages?

It's not even close....

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Post by kepler1 »

Tried to help my elderly relatives set up a simple HP inkjet printer/scanner/all-in-one. I discovered that they have to create a login and administer the printer through the HP Windows app just to be able to scan a document.

Fuck.that.noise. And the notion that "we'll just unlock as few pieces as necessary to just be enough to not have customers leave us".

I'll give my money to anyone who doesn't try to control and exploit every aspect of the experience. If such companies still exist. I think others have mentioned Brother/Epson as still tolerable brands.

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Post by Spooky23 »

Someone1234 wrote: post #50
Spooky23 wrote: post #43

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In a $300 printer? What do you want? In SMB environments, that's probably a 10 year device. Honestly, do you want a 2022 wifi solution running past 2032?

> What do you want? No artificial restriction? They say the part is changeable, but then say they won't allow consumers purchase and do so because they consider 50K EOL. So what we want is for a $300 printer to not end up in the landfill because a $50 absolutely replaceable drum cannot be replaced without a service center's unnecessary involvement.

The service life in that form factor is probably 3-4x the typical device. So at the cost of repairability, you get a more durable device that’s probably like 30-50% cheaper.

And… for the majority of customers they will likely never need toner or service.

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