Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer

theverge.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

521–530 of 570 posts

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer

#521

Post by jconley »

misiti3780 wrote: post #252
jconley wrote: post #113

Can confirm. I have an F-150 Lightning. The UI sucks and is slow. Much worse than my Teslas. It takes like 30 seconds when I get in the truck and turn it on before it's even usable. Switching between CarPlay and the native interface is ridiculous. It's a great truck though. Love it. :) AMA.

What is the real range vs EPA range?

This is highly dependent on how you drive, elevation changes, weather conditions, load/trailer weight/aerodynamics, and average speeds. So... I've seen both better than EPA ratings and worse than EPA ratings. It's rated at 320 miles on the 131kwh battery, which is about 2.4 mi/kwh. I've driven at times ranging from 1.5mi/kwh to 3.5 mi/kwh. So, I think it's accurate for their mixed highway/city test. If you're doing pure highway and thinking about a road trip, that is worst case scenario. At like 70 mph it's going to be around 2-2.1 mi/kwh unladen, so it'll be less than EPA rated, faster speeds get worse due to aero. At 2 mi/kwh that's 262 miles of range.

On a road trip I'd also keep the truck between 10-80% state of charge for optimal charge speeds, so I'd only get 70% of the range, or 183 miles. So I'd plan to stop every 150 miles or so.

This is actually similar to my real world results driving a Tesla Model 3 and Y. For the most optimal total trip time you're usually stopping every 150-200 miles or so.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer

#522

Post by jconley »

rootusrootus wrote: post #135
jconley wrote: post #113

Can confirm. I have an F-150 Lightning. The UI sucks and is slow. Much worse than my Teslas. It takes like 30 seconds when I get in the truck and turn it on before it's even usable. Switching between CarPlay and the native interface is ridiculous. It's a great truck though. Love it. :) AMA.

One of these days we will have big enough batteries to power a superduty a reasonable distance. I can't wait. I've loved my EVs, now I want that for my F250.

A bigger concern for me is the charging speed/infrastructure for what an F250/350 might want to do. For me, that's tow a 5th wheel or trailer a UTV for hundreds of miles. Need better infrastructure and much higher voltage packs to make that viable without spending hours at the chargers blocking parking lots.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer

#523

Post by cultofmetatron »

assttoasstmgr wrote: post #355
jfim wrote: post #327

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do they have the margins that allows them to pay equivalent salaries? From what I recall, Meta and Google have gross revenues on the order of one million in revenue per employee, while SAP AG has revenue per employee around 200k.

This. The OP wrote: > They tried to lowball him badly. Like 1/2 the rate he asked for (contract) and probably 1/3rd or 1/4 what we made at Google FAANG arrogance never ceases to amaze me. It's like these guys live in a different universe blissfully unaware of the world around them. Did it ever occur to him maybe Ford is paying normal average human salaries and not grossly inflated Google wages? Remember Ford (and thi…

on the other side, I'm not beholden to work at less than what I could potentially make just so some blue collar worker can have a car.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer

#524

Post by prepend »

natch wrote: post #155
prepend wrote: post #92

> but also a stopgap as Ford resets its entire software strategy around Android in partnership with Google. This doesn’t seem like a good idea because there are Android people and iOS people. Alienating a large swath of customers is not a good idea. That and I don’t want Google monitoring all my car data. One of the big reasons I don’t have a Tesla is their data policy. But I’d rather Tesla have my data than Google b…

What's not to like about Tesla's data policy? I mean, for one thing, they don't have any of your data unless you opt in, and they don't resort to any tricks or pressure to get you to opt in. And even if you do opt in, it is not linked to any identifier for you or your car. How do you perceive that as a bad thing? Or were you just mistaken about their policy?

Based on friends cars, you either opt in or don’t get any features like nav, autopilot, and even music.

I remember during a crash investigation, Tesla released data on a customer before they gave it to the family and the NHTSA. I perceive that as a bad thing.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer

#525

Post by bpye »

hef19898 wrote: post #410
bpye wrote: post #304

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not just that, but at the specific expense of pedestrians and cyclists.

Accident data and crash tests proof otherwise.

The data I can find with a very quick google shows that higher vehicles are more dangerous to pedestrians and so the move towards SUVs and trucks has put pedestrians at higher risk .

- https://www.iihs.org/news/detail/new-study-suggests-todays-s...

- https://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/10/3/154

- https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6411168

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer

#526

Post by ceeplusplus »

m000 wrote: post #463
ceeplusplus wrote: post #459

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They also use weird tricks like underpaying health staff (doctors and nurses make 40% of what they do in the US, look at NHS salary tables), relying on US defense subsidies, and taxing everyone making over 100k at insane rates. We already have "socialized education" in public schools in most blue states if you make under 120k. The financial aid is generous enough that you aren't paying any tuition. The 70k sticker pr…

> doctors and nurses make 40% of what they do in the US Oh, those US nurses living the high life. > relying on US defense subsidies It's more like "keeping the US defense industry afloat by buying expensive gadgets we don't need".

> Oh, those US nurses living the high life.

More like oh, those UK nurses in the poorhouse. They deserve to make what their US counterparts are making.

> It's more like "keeping the US defense industry afloat by buying expensive gadgets we don't need"

Yes, because that's what's defending Europe against Russian invasion, right? Expensive gadgets you don't need? Or is Germany's broken down, dysfunctional army [1] going to do that?

[1] https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-biggest-enemy-thread...

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer

#527

Post by kortilla »

Barrin92 wrote: post #157
kortilla wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you’re distracted by adjusting the temperature you shouldn’t be driving at all.

as soon as you're taking your eyes off the road or your hands off the wheel to look at or touch anything else you are distracted by definition, half a second is the difference between breaking fast enough to not kill someone in an accident. The only people who shouldn't be driving are the people not aware of that fact.

You’re supposed to look in your rear view mirror far more frequently than you would glance at your climate controls.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer

#528

Post by ceeplusplus »

rasz wrote: post #472
ceeplusplus wrote: post #459

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They also use weird tricks like underpaying health staff (doctors and nurses make 40% of what they do in the US, look at NHS salary tables), relying on US defense subsidies, and taxing everyone making over 100k at insane rates. We already have "socialized education" in public schools in most blue states if you make under 120k. The financial aid is generous enough that you aren't paying any tuition. The 70k sticker pr…

>underpaying health staff yes, things like surgeries or dental dont bankrupt you in Europe, and doctors dont automatically become millionaires collecting vintage cars or buying private planes.

> doctors dont automatically become millionaires collecting vintage cars or buying private planes

Yes, instead they make less than new grads working in literally any white collar field in the US, less than nurses in the US, and less than most blue collar trades in the US [1]. 91k GBP for the highest pay grade specialist doctor is just sad given how much training you need to become a specialist. That doctor could be making millions here in the US with their own practice.

GPs in the US (lowest paid specialty) get paid 2-3x what GPs get paid in the UK, according to the NHS payscales.

I think doctors working 80 hour residencies and grinding through med school deserve to get paid more, don't you think?

[1] https://www.healthcareers.nhs.uk/explore-roles/doctors/pay-d...

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer

#529

Post by karamanolev »

lttlrck wrote: post #103
karamanolev wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yet, it's not what people are doing. The UIs of cars and other objects should take into account how they're going to be used, not how they are designed to be used. It's been proven again and again that you can only marginally educate or tell people how to behave. It's better to make a system that is safe 7/10 in real world usage, instead of one designed for 9/10, but actually getting 5/10.

Both hands staying on the steering wheel is a huge plus. And the inputs are stepwise and therefore less prone to error, so safer. And then there is Siri which makes all the things that you might want to do while driving, and probably shouldn't (touchscreen or not) far easier and safer. How is a touchscreen safer?

I've never said a touchscreen is better. FWIW, I like the button controls on my car and don't need a touchscreen.

I'm specifically replying to "anything else you should do at the parking lot", which we know people don't do. I'm ONLY saying that UIs should be designed for how they will be used. If people never pull over and do things on the go - either disable them completely when the car is moving or make sure the user is done as quickly as possible and with the minimum amount of looking inside the car. If that's a touchscreen, buttons, buttons next to a screen, I don't really know - that should be done with proper UI/UX research.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer

#530

Post by kernal »

HWR_14 wrote: post #517
kernal wrote: post #501

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is that why BMW is integrating Android Automotive? https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/global/article/detail/T040187...

Because it's cheaper for BMW, not because it's better for their customers.

So you know what's better for BMW customers than BMW? Have you informed BMW of this revelation?
Post reply on HN