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Why I left Pine64

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Re: Why I left Pine64

#91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The devices they make that don't ship with Linux on them are pretty good, those are also easier to get fully functional software since the scope is so much smaller. The whole linux side is just a bit of a mess

Do you think RISC-V will make any difference for the Pine64 situation (especially the SPI flash)? I remember seeing something about a UEFI standard. Would that help?

There are standards for ARM bootloaders to have UEFI compat. Pine64 just needs to care.

Re: Why I left Pine64

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post #85

Martin, if you're still around, could you tell us what phone you would recommend to someone if they were wanting to switch to daily driving PostmarketOS? Do you still see that as the pinephone or do you consider another device as having a more promising future/better hardware/better support?

He mentioned the SHiFT 6mq elsewhere in the thread. And the SDM845 SoC as well.

Re: Why I left Pine64

#93
I really want such project to succeed but I guess there is no market or enough money to make it happen.

I've also asked repeatedly why those kind of projects are not using android forks instead of other things, and I never got an answer that made sense.

Android is open source and has proven that it's a robust system, I don't understand why people want to use something else.

Re: Why I left Pine64

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post #93

I really want such project to succeed but I guess there is no market or enough money to make it happen. I've also asked repeatedly why those kind of projects are not using android forks instead of other things, and I never got an answer that made sense. Android is open source and has proven that it's a robust system, I don't understand why people want to use something else.

I use an Android fork, but I can understand why they'd want to use Linux. If they succeeded you'd start seeing more cross pollination of apps from the desktop, and perhaps more mobile focus from Linux devs.

Also, has anyone really done anything more than just tweak AOSP? Honest question, I don't know. If say Google completely abandoned the AOSP and went full Fuschia (I know this isn't likely), is there any individual or group out there that knows enough about AOSP to take it over?

Re: Why I left Pine64

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like in the end the pinebook pro did get the SPI chip on it, but then they flashed a closed source U-Boot to the eMMC instead which does not allow booting from SD. So it's again a complete pain for the other distributions to help these users. For the wiping issue, a lot of times I see suggestions to wipe the first few MB of the storage when there's booting and flashing issues to get rid of an old U-Boot, whi…

So the SPI chip is effectively useless? Is this something that could be fixed in a newer hardware revision?

Not useless, but users will need to manually flash tow-boot when that should just be the default. If Pine64 had made better moves, their customers would have never had to worry about firmware or bootloaders, only which (standard) distro install media to use.

Re: Why I left Pine64

#96

I am a big FOSS proponent (I almost exclusively use FOSS), but I find it difficult to not become disillusioned recently. It seems the large corporations like FANGs are largely pushing OSS to use volunteer work to make software a commodity, while trying to accumulate more and more data, which they consider their main value. At the same time we have companies like pine, who seem to support FOSS through relatively open…

I feel like you're inferring qualities in OSS that don't (explicitly) exist. This is not uncommon. Specifically;

>> It seems the large corporations like FANGs are largely pushing OSS to use volunteer work to make software a commodity

Why would you expect them to do anything different? Companies are driven by profit, not some sense of morality. OSS licenses allow them, even encourage them, to trade volunteer (aka free) labor in return for source code availability.

>> which to me seem increasingly more about a way to make a profit of the FOSS trend by using volunteer work without any investment from their end.

There's often serious investment from their end, but that's irrelevant. They absolutely want to leverage FOSS to make a profit. And that's explicitly allowed by OSS licenses.

To put it another way, your disillusionment is because of a "bug" on your end, not on theirs. They are behaving exactly as OSS is designed. Your _expectation_ of their behavior is inaccurate, and so does not match reality. Not surpisingly this makes you sad :(

Re: Why I left Pine64

#97

I am a big FOSS proponent (I almost exclusively use FOSS), but I find it difficult to not become disillusioned recently. It seems the large corporations like FANGs are largely pushing OSS to use volunteer work to make software a commodity, while trying to accumulate more and more data, which they consider their main value. At the same time we have companies like pine, who seem to support FOSS through relatively open…

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Re: Why I left Pine64

#98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The devices they make that don't ship with Linux on them are pretty good, those are also easier to get fully functional software since the scope is so much smaller. The whole linux side is just a bit of a mess

Do you think RISC-V will make any difference for the Pine64 situation (especially the SPI flash)? I remember seeing something about a UEFI standard. Would that help?

RISC-V works exactly the same as ARM from the perspective of pine64 and distribution and it will not solve anything

Re: Why I left Pine64

#99

I am a big FOSS proponent (I almost exclusively use FOSS), but I find it difficult to not become disillusioned recently. It seems the large corporations like FANGs are largely pushing OSS to use volunteer work to make software a commodity, while trying to accumulate more and more data, which they consider their main value. At the same time we have companies like pine, who seem to support FOSS through relatively open…

It seems to me (having sworn to not ever publish another line of free software after many years of doing so) that a kind of serfdom has been established in free software similar to the one working directly for FAANG. The difference is free software doesn't pay enough to live on ramen, if they even notice your project at all.

[I noticed the stump of the pine tree, which apparently was cut down after a fire, in the picture at the head of this article--maybe why the author left Pine64? :)]

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