Interesting that they decided not to just spin Pantheon onto BSD but develop their own DE.
RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD
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Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD
#252Ex graphic designer here, but don't (and never have) used Mac. I highly respect this project and initiative, and the following is more a commentary on my own reaction than your product. I read the title--finesse of MacOS. I open the link, and the first thing I see at the top is the circular raven logo vertically misaligned with the header on mobile. That made me think, okay let's try desktop version instead, so I swi…
> why do people / projects/teams (in general--not just this product) try to emulate the "finesse" of Apple products
Because people like them. Why do all sedans look kind of alike? Why are there dozens knock-off chairs that emulate the Aeron? Some people, myself included, really like the look and feel of macOS, but may want to run *nix instead. Enough of those people got together and made an OS.
Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD
#253Earlier quoted context omitted.
This year Apple made the point Objective-C is done, time to move on, for those that were still wondering. Around minute 4, or go through the transcript. https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2022/102/
“Objective-C is done, time to move on” … except for Apple themselves, where we still see a steep rise in ObjC year over year with no visible sign of slowing that incline. Likewise for AppKit. Apple, the “do as we say, not as we do” company.
They can't be the ones to turn the lights off if they're not the last ones in the room. iTunes was famously Carbon for long after Apple said "use Cocoa now", but it came around. It's fine to tell everyone else "stop doing ObjC now", then to slowly strangle it out of their code as well.
Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD
#254Ex graphic designer here, but don't (and never have) used Mac. I highly respect this project and initiative, and the following is more a commentary on my own reaction than your product. I read the title--finesse of MacOS. I open the link, and the first thing I see at the top is the circular raven logo vertically misaligned with the header on mobile. That made me think, okay let's try desktop version instead, so I swi…
Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD
#255This looks promising but I can't get the installer to load. Would love to get updates on progress.
Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD
#256Does MacOS really have that finesse they try to emulate? First thing I noticed when I started using a mac is that double clicking the Finder titlebar only expands it vertically while every other app expands both vertically and horizontally. Second thing, when I close a window and then press Cmd+tab, the icon is still there, and if I select it nothing shows up. There's more of these everyday things that work sloppy so I wonder why does the mac have that image of finesse when I don't really see it.
Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD
#257Ex graphic designer here, but don't (and never have) used Mac. I highly respect this project and initiative, and the following is more a commentary on my own reaction than your product. I read the title--finesse of MacOS. I open the link, and the first thing I see at the top is the circular raven logo vertically misaligned with the header on mobile. That made me think, okay let's try desktop version instead, so I swi…
> I don't use Linux, so I'll never really use this product
Isn't it FreeBSD?
Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD
#258Does MacOS really have that finesse they try to emulate? First thing I noticed when I started using a mac is that double clicking the Finder titlebar only expands it vertically while every other app expands both vertically and horizontally. Second thing, when I close a window and then press Cmd+tab, the icon is still there, and if I select it nothing shows up. There's more of these everyday things that work sloppy so…
> […] double-clicking the Finder titlebar only expands it vertically […]
This behavior is called “Zoom”, and it’s defined per-application by that application. You could change that system-wide to minimize.
> […] when I close a window and then press Cmd+tab, the icon is still there, and if I select it nothing shows up.
Yes, the application hasn’t quit. You’ve only closed its last window.
Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD
#259Does MacOS really have that finesse they try to emulate? First thing I noticed when I started using a mac is that double clicking the Finder titlebar only expands it vertically while every other app expands both vertically and horizontally. Second thing, when I close a window and then press Cmd+tab, the icon is still there, and if I select it nothing shows up. There's more of these everyday things that work sloppy so…
Your second point is by design. macOS lets apps run without windows. Hold Option while once you select the app via Cmd+tab and it’ll open a new window.
Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD
#260Does MacOS really have that finesse they try to emulate? First thing I noticed when I started using a mac is that double clicking the Finder titlebar only expands it vertically while every other app expands both vertically and horizontally. Second thing, when I close a window and then press Cmd+tab, the icon is still there, and if I select it nothing shows up. There's more of these everyday things that work sloppy so…
> double clicking the Finder titlebar only expands it vertically while every other app expands both vertically and horizontally
For me it fits-to-content both vertically and horizontally. I just tested in both list- and icon-view. Mac OS 12.
> When I close a window and then press Cmd+tab, the icon is still there
This is because the Mac UI application/document conceptual model, which has been consistent since at least the 1980s. An application is either open or not. If you have multiple documents open, they are open within a single instance of the application. You can also have zero documents open. The application doesn't quit automatically when you close the last document.
Other operating systems flatten these two concepts into one, such that each new document appears as a new instance of the application.
I'm not suggesting one is better than the other. Just that I don't consider this a lack-of-finesse since it's been my mental model for 25+ years.
I'm also not disagreeing with your overall point. I can think of plenty of inconsistencies and lack-of-finesse in modern Mac OS UI, to be sure!