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Why American cities are broke (2021) [video]

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Found the text version more compelling myself: https://www.strongtowns.org/the-growth-ponzi-scheme

They make the argument that growth, in an of itself, is a "ponzi scheme". Whereas boom-bust economic cycles are nothing new, and are clearly not the same as a literal ponzi scheme.

I don't think there's any novel thinking here. They're just rebranding cyclic economics for dramatic effect.

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NotJustBikes are doing some incredible work. It’s really time to reframe how we plan our cities and make the spaces we occupy designed for human scale engagement. I encourage anyone interested in this video to definitely check out more of their videos, so much valuable insight as to practically how our urban spaces could be incredible to live in.

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Ponzi Scheme: a form of fraud in which belief in the success of a nonexistent enterprise is fostered by the payment of quick returns to the first investors from money invested by later investors.

Here, the Ponzi idea is that early investors in suburban and exurban housing receive generous subsidies to expensive infrastructure beyond what their value can realistically support tax-wise over the long term. Their early, illusory success (appreciation in price, perception of living The American Dream) convinces others to buy in before realizing that replacing sewers, roads, etc is really, really expensive at low density and so the infrastructure crumbles or requires a bail out.

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The US system means you can live outside cities (and so avoid paying city taxes) and travel in to enjoy the amenities they provide. The result is a classic "failure of the commons" where contributors move out and people in need move in. The growth fallacy relies on cities already being short of cash, it is a symptom, not a disease.

Suburbs pay city taxes but are basically subsidized owing to the infrastructure cost relative to tax rate. You can hardly chalk the problem to too few people living within the city boundaries, but ultimately for super-long commuters what it would mean is the bulk of shouldering the cost of those people falls on the communities outside the city. People go in to work, that means the amenities used are a) the roads which have to be maintained anyway, and b) power in the city center which the corporate office pays for (and they pay property tax).

The infrastructure cost for inefficient sprawled out areas is enormous. A money pit.

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Found the text version more compelling myself: https://www.strongtowns.org/the-growth-ponzi-scheme

They make the argument that growth, in an of itself, is a "ponzi scheme". Whereas boom-bust economic cycles are nothing new, and are clearly not the same as a literal ponzi scheme. I don't think there's any novel thinking here. They're just rebranding cyclic economics for dramatic effect.

The problem isn't growth the problem is that growth is required to pay for maintenance of the currently existing infrastructure. This is ponzi-scheme adjacent because if growth ever stops (and it has to), then everything collapses.

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Can someone name an example of a city that has gone bankrupt due to infrastructure costs that didn't also lose a large amount of its population or lose key local industries?

Not a city, per se, but counties, yes.

Orange County, CA circa 1994. Bonds & securities shenanigans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Citron#County_bankruptc...

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I am biased because I quite like living in the suburbs, and get quite suspicious when some manifesto comes up that dictates I should feel bad for it. Why is the solution to live in better designed cities instead of better designed suburbs? Are cities still necessary given the modern conditions?

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Can someone name an example of a city that has gone bankrupt due to infrastructure costs that didn't also lose a large amount of its population or lose key local industries?

I can't, because every American city I can think of experienced redlining and white flight, which led to the loss of population, business, and investment.

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Can someone name an example of a city that has gone bankrupt due to infrastructure costs that didn't also lose a large amount of its population or lose key local industries?

I think that’s a rather unfair question as cities should be resilient to significant population shifts. The world isn’t constant so the inability to handle change means you already have issues.

Population shifts don’t just happen in an afternoon if a city can’t deal with a 10% population decline over a decade it was already in dire straits. Pensions for example are’t inherently an issue, it’s just a debt that should have been prepaid over the ~30 years these employees where working for the city.

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Ponzi Scheme: a form of fraud in which belief in the success of a nonexistent enterprise is fostered by the payment of quick returns to the first investors from money invested by later investors.

We need a word that is not intentionally a fraud but is pretty much an example of an unsustainable pyramid.

Fractional reserve banking
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