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Ask HN: Is WWIII already in its early stages?

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Re: Ask HN: Is WWIII already in its early stages?

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Henry Kissinger in the Wall Street Journal last week: > “We are at the edge of war with Russia and China on issues which we partly created, without any concept of how this is going to end or what it’s supposed to lead to,” he says. Could the U.S. manage the two adversaries by triangulating between them, as during the Nixon years? He offers no simple prescription. “You can’t just now say we’re going to split them off…

The most amazing part of this article is that Kissinger is still alive.

Re: Ask HN: Is WWIII already in its early stages?

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I have a quite different (and most likely biased) opinion than most people (here or in Western countries). WWIII is already happening. The US is closing up on Russia now for more than a decade. China is growing economically but they are still far away militarily and except for Russia there isn't really another contender for the US militarily speaking. Before 2010 the world was quite multi-polar with the US being the…

> Before 2010 the world was quite multi-polar with the US being the leader. Now, we are moving to a uni-polar world Don't you mean the opposite? It was unipolar since the end of WW2, with US being the top superpower. Now other countries want, and can get, a piece of the pie. To be fair that means pretty much only China.

No. After the end of WW2, the US was the "obvious" leader but not the actual leader. European countries were still the leader of the colonized countries, China/Japan/SouthAmerica were figuring things on their own, the EU united, some arab countries wanted to influence/control oil, Russia was planting communism around the world, etc...

In fact, the US was not much at that time. It had power but little influence. Think of someone who is very rich $$ wise, but can't influence the politicians, police, or the mayor and has no connections whatsoever.

Re: Ask HN: Is WWIII already in its early stages?

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I doubt it simply because there's still a massive power imbalance between western and non-western countries. A war with China and Russia would obviously be awful for the human race, but there's almost no way China and Russia would win such a war, nor would it make sense to fight it. I mean what does the "winner" of WWIII gain? You might win the war, but now the planet is a nuclear waste land. I think China and Russia…

Sometimes one thing leads to another. WWIII-type conflict could be started by states that are not superpowers.

Re: Ask HN: Is WWIII already in its early stages?

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If the CCP invades the ROC it has to win fast, before Taiwan’s nuclear weapons program can spin back up. Losing to Beijing means death and organ harvesting for every member of the government of Taiwan, so I wouldn’t blame them for chosing death by nuclear exchange over defeat.

Re: Ask HN: Is WWIII already in its early stages?

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I doubt it simply because there's still a massive power imbalance between western and non-western countries. A war with China and Russia would obviously be awful for the human race, but there's almost no way China and Russia would win such a war, nor would it make sense to fight it. I mean what does the "winner" of WWIII gain? You might win the war, but now the planet is a nuclear waste land. I think China and Russia…

"At the end of the day it's just a handful of people who get to decide these things" I disagree, there are far more factors playing at hand. A government is made of many people. Or as example, general A decided to attack, but the army couldn't progress due to bad weather. He did his decision but it didn't matter.

Re: Ask HN: Is WWIII already in its early stages?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but there's almost no way China and Russia would win such a war For any sensible definitions of 'win', there's also no way the US can win against China, or even Russia. Both China and Russia are impossible to successfully invade and they both have nuclear weapons (same applies to the US). These 3 countries do not want to go to war against each others and they won't. As the WOPR once wisely concluded, the only winni…

When did the US 'flex their muscles' over Ukraine? There was absolutely zero talk of the US/NATO directly intervening militarily in Ukraine. As for Taiwan, it's an unknown and if you claim otherwise, you're doing it based on nothing. Biden has clearly and repeatedly stated that the US would defend Taiwan. Not saying the US actually wants to, maybe it's just a deterrent. However, if China does attack and the US backs…

> Biden has clearly and repeatedly stated that the US would defend Taiwan

And he was rebutted by the White House when it looked like he meant that the US would intervene militarily

No-one doubts that the US would help, e.g. by supplying intelligence, weapons, etc. as they do now. But they would not send troops and they would not engage (nice word to mean 'attack') the Chinese.

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WW3 will not happen. Countries are not stupid to destroy the Earth. Local wars here and there happened and will happen in the future. There's nothing special about Ukraine or Taiwan in that regard. World will move from US-centric model to multi-polar model. One pole is China, one pole is Russia, one pole is EU, one pole is US, one pole is Iran. Confused about India but probably it'll be a separate pole as well. Proba…

First assumption is faulty. That a nuclear war would "destroy the earth". It would not destroy the planet nor render it significantly uninhabitable. Which leads you to poor conclusions. It does have significant consequences, will render some limited land area as radio active for a limited period of time (weeks to months). Survivors of the infrastructure destruction, chaos, and troop invasions will need to be careful…

> It would not destroy the planet nor render it significantly uninhabitable.

And you are 100 percent sure that your assumption is correct? For if it is not, the potential cost of error for your hypothesis (total destruction) are infinitely higher than that of OP's (no nuclear war even though we could survive it). And that is independent of which assumption is more likely to be true. I wonder which conclusions are poor then.

What about nuclear winter?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but there's almost no way China and Russia would win such a war For any sensible definitions of 'win', there's also no way the US can win against China, or even Russia. Both China and Russia are impossible to successfully invade and they both have nuclear weapons (same applies to the US). These 3 countries do not want to go to war against each others and they won't. As the WOPR once wisely concluded, the only winni…

The problem with war is that you lose control of the situation extremely fast. Whether the countries want to go to war doesn’t matter when a bluff that isn’t a bluff is called.

Being sure that nobody else would intervene directly in Ukraine is why the Russians could do on a nationwide scale what nobody thought they would do: bombing every building civilian homes, malls, schools and hospitals is unheard of, at least when done on purpose and on a such large scale. What i find disgusting is that we're slowly adapting to it, and the Russians know that. However, it is possible that if China invades Taiwan, that event could trigger also an intervention against Russia, at least if one takes for granted that in a direct US vs China conflict, they would quickly escalate to nuclear and Russia would be sucked in as well.

Re: Ask HN: Is WWIII already in its early stages?

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WW3 will not happen. Countries are not stupid to destroy the Earth. Local wars here and there happened and will happen in the future. There's nothing special about Ukraine or Taiwan in that regard. World will move from US-centric model to multi-polar model. One pole is China, one pole is Russia, one pole is EU, one pole is US, one pole is Iran. Confused about India but probably it'll be a separate pole as well. Proba…

> Countries are not stupid to destroy the Earth.

Except for the climate change.

Re: Ask HN: Is WWIII already in its early stages?

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> China preparing to invade Taiwan ... There is, as of now, no evidence China is preparing to invade anything. There's always sable rattling, hasn't happened yet. > Wars happen when two or nation's drive for self-preservation collide That's a naive view of war, which ignores individual a-holes. There's no self-preservation in Russia invading Ukraine... I understand it's easy to despair and fear seeing some of the thi…

>That's a naive view of war, which ignores individual a-holes. There's no self-preservation in Russia invading Ukraine...

Russia was massively clear during the pre-invasion buildup that it was about Ukrainian NATO aspirations. They offered to deescalate and remove troops from the boarder if US declared opposition to Ukrainian admission. They publicly stated they saw it as an existential threat and were willing to invade over it.

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