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Ask HN: Is WWIII already in its early stages?

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Re: Ask HN: Is WWIII already in its early stages?

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>China preparing to invade Taiwan,

China is planning to invade themselves? Sounds to me like you've been reading propaganda that's pushing to start a war. Why would China invade themselves?

>In the 2010's, many people told me 'WWIII will never happen, the world is too interdependent'.

Interdependence isn't a factor at all. The only reason WW3 hasn't happened yet is weapons of mass destruction. All major players have wmds, if they admit to it or not. Or they could assemble/build their wmd within days. I couldn't even tell you which is more important.

>At this point, to me, another global conflict with massive consequences seems inevitable. There is just enough desperation, social unrest, government corruption, and resource depletion to trigger survival instincts on the largest scale.

What seems likely to me is USA has a civil war incoming. They've been at war for decades and their war exhaustion is maxed out. Trillions spent in the middle east killing innocent brown people and back at home? Busted roads.

USA seems to need a civil war.

Re: Ask HN: Is WWIII already in its early stages?

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I think that the world is now more unipolar than ever before. Russia is repeatedly proving that it worth nearly nothing both in military and political sense, the Chinese military power is also very much overestimated. EU is nearly defenseless on their own too. Only the US has the military power to win any existential war (small wars of course can still be “lost”, as the adversary can become the prize not worth taking…

I must make the assumption that you’re young. China today has set its path to carry out an action in 5-10 years when it’s ready. You never engage when you’re not prepared. You build up, plan, prepare, then act. That takes time. Remember, revenge is best served cold. China has stepped down today, but I can reassure you, in 5-10 years it will act militarily to avenge its current embarrasment. Just like Russia prepared…

> I must make the assumption that you’re young.

I am 39.

> "Russia won the war in the first 72 hours".

In which universe?

Russia is absolutely humiliated, their tanks are rusting in Ukrainian fields by hundreds, there are no new human reserves, morale on the front is all-time low, and Ukrainians are now bombing Crimean targets without any retaliation.

Which is a good thing, of course.

Re: Ask HN: Is WWIII already in its early stages?

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I think that the world is now more unipolar than ever before. Russia is repeatedly proving that it worth nearly nothing both in military and political sense, the Chinese military power is also very much overestimated. EU is nearly defenseless on their own too. Only the US has the military power to win any existential war (small wars of course can still be “lost”, as the adversary can become the prize not worth taking…

Nuclear weapons. That's all it comes down to. If Russia didn't have them then (rightly or wrongly) Putin would have been bombed months ago. An existential war would involve large scale use of nuclear weapons, and the US cannot win that. Neither can Russia or China, mind you.

Nuclear weapons are deterrents, they have a very limited military use. Their only useful targets are cities (and sometimes other nuclear weapons), and they leave no prize. They can be used to end the war, but not to win the war.

Re: Ask HN: Is WWIII already in its early stages?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I must make the assumption that you’re young. China today has set its path to carry out an action in 5-10 years when it’s ready. You never engage when you’re not prepared. You build up, plan, prepare, then act. That takes time. Remember, revenge is best served cold. China has stepped down today, but I can reassure you, in 5-10 years it will act militarily to avenge its current embarrasment. Just like Russia prepared…

> I must make the assumption that you’re young. I am 39. > "Russia won the war in the first 72 hours". In which universe? Russia is absolutely humiliated, their tanks are rusting in Ukrainian fields by hundreds, there are no new human reserves, morale on the front is all-time low, and Ukrainians are now bombing Crimean targets without any retaliation. Which is a good thing, of course.

Sorry to burst your bubble but so far Ukrainian army did 0 wins and only suffers losses. They don't bomb Crimean targets, they do sabotages (or terroristic acts, depending on your side) which sometimes work. I will not carry on this conversation because this is US website and US fight for Ukraine, so it's pretty pointless, but you can't deny the big picture. I'll agree that Russia is not winning when Russia would lose any big city it captured. Like this mystical attack on Herson which is promised for months but not happening.

Re: Ask HN: Is WWIII already in its early stages?

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I would like that to be true. Did Germany stand a chance to win WWII? Probably not, or at best a slim chance; it made huge, surprising victories against most of continental Europe, but it just picked on too many opponents. By the time the US was in, it was (slow and deadly) game over. They believed their own BS and went ahead with it regardless. I guess the risk here is that Russia or China could also believe their o…

Indeed, I think people tend to forget that Germany declared war on the US - which I have seen described (in a fantastic bit of understatement) as "most puzzling": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_declaration_of_war_agai...

Germany didn't believe their own intelligence figures of US manufacturing output. They were laughed to scorn as impossible. Some hubris there, certainly.

Re: Ask HN: Is WWIII already in its early stages?

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I have a quite different (and most likely biased) opinion than most people (here or in Western countries).

WWIII is already happening. The US is closing up on Russia now for more than a decade. China is growing economically but they are still far away militarily and except for Russia there isn't really another contender for the US militarily speaking.

Before 2010 the world was quite multi-polar with the US being the leader. Now, we are moving to a uni-polar world and this is of course triggering reactions both from China, Russia and countries that want to remain sovereign (ie: India, Brazil, ASEAN, etc...)

Countries not in the western sphere are already aware of this. The EU is quite aware of this too and it's going to be a loser in this new order but it doesn't seem to be able to build a politically independent force to have its own policy. Russia is the main target and they know this, that's why they are freaking out. China probably doesn't like Russia much but certainly would prefer a multi-polar world (at least until they are able to become the leader); so they'll help the Russians to slow down the West. Major other countries like India do not like China or Russia but they are concerned about the accumulation of power and inflation in the West/US hands. Smaller countries are trying to survive in this environment and feed their people either by selling their young labor for pennies, or opening their borders for rich people from the West to sun bathe.

That's the world for you, in a nutshell.

If I am to predict the future:

- Russia gets drawn in a long war with Ukraine. The US is playing the long game of starving them financially and technologically.

- China will probably collapse in a spectacular fashion. They are far from being a united country. The outcome won't be easy to predict and China is huge. It is possible this will happen without much disruption to trading lines.

- Europe/Euro/Schengen will end sometime in the next 10 years. Some European countries will be back to third-world status.

- With the fall of the Euro, the US dollar will become the ultimate currency. The US will be able to yield enormous influence all over the world.

Re: Ask HN: Is WWIII already in its early stages?

#77
post #51

1) Russia is about to lose bigley to a backwater country called Ukraine. 2) China has a tin-pot military that has not really fought an external war since Korea. No.

Take a look at the Sino-Vietnamese War, 1979.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War

Re: Ask HN: Is WWIII already in its early stages?

#78
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On my side I think its inevitable. The only question is "when", my 2c on why "inevitable" and some thoughts on where we are. Inevitable because thats history. Pax Americana has effectively come to an end with the Taliban giveaway. The official end will be if/when they abandon Taiwan; and thats why people care so much. If US can't intervene to save its allies then their word means shit. US has become complacent, self-…

> Inevitable because thats history. Pax Americana has effectively come to an end with the Taliban giveaway.

From the Euro POV, Pax Americana ended with the second invasion of Iraq. This was a complete misuse of the post-war common pact system based on lies. Since Europe was on the receiving end of those lies, it has not been forgotten.

This is a common view throughout Europe across many political boundaries. The reason that this is important is that the opinion of the rest of the world is what gives Pax Americana its power.

My 2c, I still don't think it's over.

Re: Ask HN: Is WWIII already in its early stages?

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post #76

I have a quite different (and most likely biased) opinion than most people (here or in Western countries). WWIII is already happening. The US is closing up on Russia now for more than a decade. China is growing economically but they are still far away militarily and except for Russia there isn't really another contender for the US militarily speaking. Before 2010 the world was quite multi-polar with the US being the…

This is a very interesting and unusual take, pretty much the exact opposite of what I usually see.

Re: Ask HN: Is WWIII already in its early stages?

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So instead we see endless proxy wars where these three powers use other countries as battlegrounds killing other people.

My half Ukrainian wife says that the US is willing to fight the war in Ukraine until the last Ukrainian.

The fact that USA is doing anything for Ukraine is astounding all in itself.

Russia is not even a remote threat to USA, besides nuclear weapons.

Russia is a threat to Europe - Ukraine, Georgia, Baltics, Poland, Finland, Kazahstan.

And still Germany and France would be happy to give up Ukraine whole to Russia if not for USA.

Germany was happily making itself dependent on Russia and paying Russia to modernize their army. Germany was even bypassing their own sanctions after 2014 to deliver weapons components to Russia that are now being found in wrecks in Ukraine. All while Germany is deeply relaying on USA for defense from Russia. It's crazy that USA was so chill about it until Trump.

As a Pole born and raised 40km from Kaliningrad oblast it's really weird that I trust USA more than I do Germany, France, Italy etc.

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