I think autonomous car collisions should be handled similarly to how the FAA handles aircraft accidents.
Why, when human-driven cars don't get that treatment when they crash?
One dead and nine wounded after accident with self-driving car
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#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
In my mind, I would be happy with 75% of the risk of human driving. That is enough to be clearly better and clearly safer. It is a big enough margin to prevent lying with statistics ('oh, we only count highway miles', or 'yeah we were including with that statistic the young drink drivers'). It also isn't too unrealistic. If (to simplify things) you imagine that every accident has two cars involved and is the fault of…
How is it lying with statistics to take into consideration the prevalence of drunk driving?
When you get in a self driving car you want to be confident you are safer in that car than in one you drive yourself.
If you are an honest citizen and don't drink drive, then you want to be comparing crash rates of other honest non-drink-driving citizens.
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#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
It shouldn't come as a shock, since self-driving cars currently do not exist - not even in the prototype stage.
Actually, they are existing in prototype stage. EDIT: They exists since the 1970s on closed tracks. I remember during my work in 1990s at DASA (Daimler Chrysler Areo Space) they had them on the airfield in Friedrichshafen.
By that standard, my cat is a truck driver because she can ride the Roomba.
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#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
It shouldn't come as a shock, since self-driving cars currently do not exist - not even in the prototype stage.
You can go out and pay to ride in a self driving car right now
You can buy a ride on the Bezos Vomit Comet up to the Kármán line, but that does not make you a martian - or that contraption an orbital rocket.
There is no self-driving car in existence today that can do what most people understand by driving. Waymo is just a simulation of what a self driving car should do, achieved by painstakingly mapping every square inch of street in a very limited area. It's a ruse achieved by brute-forcing, not self-driving. Not even their makers trust it to be self driving, assigning back-up human drivers in unpredictable service areas.
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A sticker on the vehicle clearly shows it was BMW autonomous test vehicle: https://twitter.com/AEONde/status/1559477911446589441
Those stickers don't prove anything, especially if BMW themselves deny it. You can find those stickers on support-vehicles without any autonomous features as well. There will be more press coverage anyway and we'll find out soon.
Just a reminder - BMW also denied dieselgate allegations.
Re: One dead and nine wounded after accident with self-driving car
#96BMW says it wasn't a self-driving car: https://www.focus.de/panorama/welt/b28-im-kreis-reutlingen-s...
BMW also said it wasnt involved in dieselgate.
Re: One dead and nine wounded after accident with self-driving car
#97Earlier quoted context omitted.
How is it lying with statistics to take into consideration the prevalence of drunk driving?
When you get in a self driving car you want to be confident you are safer in that car than in one you drive yourself. If you are an honest citizen and don't drink drive, then you want to be comparing crash rates of other honest non-drink-driving citizens.
Alice says "I never drive drunk, so the accident bar for self-driving cars to clear shouldn't take accidents caused by drunk driving into account." Bob says "I never use my phone while I'm driving, so the accident bar for self-driving cars to clear shouldn't take accidents caused by phone use into account." Carol says "I never drive exhausted, so the accident bar for self-driving cars to clear shouldn't take accidents caused by exhausted driving into account." And so on, since for every bad driving behavior, there's probably at least one person who's never done it. If they all get what they want, then self-driving cars will have to be perfect before they're allowed, even though they could save a lot of lives by going into service long before they're perfect.
Re: One dead and nine wounded after accident with self-driving car
#98I think autonomous car collisions should be handled similarly to how the FAA handles aircraft accidents.
Why, when human-driven cars don't get that treatment when they crash?
I should have elaborated, but I sort of just tossed my post on here quickly. I was imagining if we get to the point that self driving cars become fully autonomous, and lets say 100% of cars on the road are self driving-- what happens if there's a crash? Theoretically that shouldn't happen right? If it did I would want an independent body to investigate.
Re: One dead and nine wounded after accident with self-driving car
#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
You can go out and pay to ride in a self driving car right now
You can buy a ride on the Bezos Vomit Comet up to the Kármán line, but that does not make you a martian - or that contraption an orbital rocket. There is no self-driving car in existence today that can do what most people understand by driving. Waymo is just a simulation of what a self driving car should do, achieved by painstakingly mapping every square inch of street in a very limited area. It's a ruse achieved by…
My apologies, I wasn't aware we had different definitions of driving.