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Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by prmoustache »

rich_sasha wrote: post #123
prmoustache wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So basically you played with fire(nvidia) and got burned. There is one way to run nvidia stuff on Linux and have a decent experience: run a distro that actually support and has partnership with nvidia, which mean a distro like Redhat Enterprise Linux. It has long term support too. It is the same with Apple or windows if you start using shitty drivers from a shady brand you will run into issues at some point.

Well, that's one way to look at it: you need to carefully pick your distro, make sure it's compatible with your hardware, and so on. My way is rather: I don't want to even pollute my brain cache with that. I want a Computer with an Operating System that Just Work. Because for me tinkering with the setup of my desktop is not fun, the fun bit is what I do with a properly working computer. I'll pay a premium to Apple fo…

>Well, that's one way to look at it: you need to carefully pick your distro, make sure it's compatible with your hardware, and so on. > >My way is rather: I don't want to even pollute my brain cache with that. I

That is exactly what you did by choosing Apple.

If you go on the redhat website and choose certified system you can pick your hardware from any vendor the same way you choose your Apple machine on the Apple store.

Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by arghwhat »

fguerraz wrote: post #107

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You do realize that Netflix uses FreeBSD, right? That a good chunk of NAS builds, diy or not, use FreeBSD? That high performance network solutions often use FreeBSD because of what is commonly seen as a better/more mature network stack?

Having a smaller user base than the world's most used kernel (Linux) doesn't mean it has a small user base in absolute terms. And being a smaller kernel in lines of code is certainly a positive thing.

This pattern repeats, with OS's smaller than FreeBSD having good reason to be chosen in production.

Fun fact: Apple used NetBSD on their Airport product series.

Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by malepoon »

fguerraz wrote: post #107

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From Wikipedia:

> Today, FreeBSD is used by many IT companies such as IBM, Nokia, Juniper Networks, and NetApp to build their products.[16][17] Certain parts of Apple's Mac OS X operating system are based on FreeBSD.[18] Both the PlayStation 3 and Nintendo Switch operating system also borrow certain components from FreeBSD,[7][8] while the PlayStation 4 operating system is derived from FreeBSD 9.[19] Netflix,[20] WhatsApp,[21] and FlightAware[22] are also examples of large, successful and heavily network-oriented companies which are running FreeBSD.

Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by pjmlp »

LeoNatan25 wrote: post #101
pjmlp wrote: post #63

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This year Apple made the point Objective-C is done, time to move on, for those that were still wondering. Around minute 4, or go through the transcript. https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2022/102/

“Objective-C is done, time to move on” … except for Apple themselves, where we still see a steep rise in ObjC year over year with no visible sign of slowing that incline. Likewise for AppKit. Apple, the “do as we say, not as we do” company.

Except several systems have been rewritten in Swift for Ventura, also mentioned in other talks.

Besides this is nothing new in the industry, some Android business units and Windows ones, are quite adverse to touch anything besides C++, regardless of the guidelines to the rest of us.

Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by konart »

prmoustache wrote: post #128
thatguy27 wrote: post #113

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My UI experience is very limited (Windows and Linux only, I currently use XFCE4). What do you consider to be the best UI(s) currently offered (in an operating system)?

I feel gnome3 is a much better/faster/ergonomic. It works great regardless if you are a keyboard, mouse or touchscreen heavy user. My only gripe is I wish firefox would integrate it better instead with an UI similar to (now defunct?) Eolie web browser. Also I haven't spend enough time with it recently but I think kde plasma has the flexibility to be probably as good as gnome. I just don't like the default settings an…

>Gnome3

When people way gnome3 do they really mean gnome3 or gnome3..gnome43?

I really like Gnome 42 and improvement that can be seen in 43, but I didn't like gnome3 at all

Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by pjmlp »

andai wrote: post #118
LeoNatan25 wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Objective-C is done, time to move on” … except for Apple themselves, where we still see a steep rise in ObjC year over year with no visible sign of slowing that incline. Likewise for AppKit. Apple, the “do as we say, not as we do” company.

Interesting, I wonder if that is for technical reasons (low level stuff; performance?) or just inertia?

Mostly inertia, the only new subsystem where Objective-C plays a major role is Metal, and even there most examples make use of the Swift bindings.

Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by jeroenhd »

rich_sasha wrote: post #123
prmoustache wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So basically you played with fire(nvidia) and got burned. There is one way to run nvidia stuff on Linux and have a decent experience: run a distro that actually support and has partnership with nvidia, which mean a distro like Redhat Enterprise Linux. It has long term support too. It is the same with Apple or windows if you start using shitty drivers from a shady brand you will run into issues at some point.

Well, that's one way to look at it: you need to carefully pick your distro, make sure it's compatible with your hardware, and so on. My way is rather: I don't want to even pollute my brain cache with that. I want a Computer with an Operating System that Just Work. Because for me tinkering with the setup of my desktop is not fun, the fun bit is what I do with a properly working computer. I'll pay a premium to Apple fo…

I've had more luck printing from Linux than any other operating system, funnily enough. It just seems to work, no 3GB of driver software or manual browsing for INF files required. The UI is a bit clunky when you want to configure advanced settings but it's no worse than your average HP driver in my opinion.

My experiments with macOS actually had the same problems you list, though I haven't tried printing more than once. MacOS comes with ancient Unix tools and you end up downloading half a Linux install over Brew when you try to compile stuff, and now you have added an external package manager you need to deal with to as system that doesn't really support one.

Mg experience with package managers is that if you ignore the warnings (adding --force to overrule errors, adding external repositories that replace system libraries or aren't maintained, mess with config files to override same defaults, mix package managers (apt+global pip = hell)) you won't see them break themselves. I've broken Windows installs by messing with my system in similar ways, though there never seems to be a solution when this happens other than a reinstall. Trouble mostly comes from outdated, misguided guides found on Google that'll ignore any best practices for your opersting system and set things up Their Way, turning your install into a ticking time bomb when the writers have long had to reinstall their operating system without ever updating their guides.

All operating systems I've tried are bad in their own way. Windows worked great until 8 came out. MacOS works well enough if you don't mind Apple's control/decisions/limitations and accept the risk of buying a faulty device that the company will deny all the way up to class lawsuit settlements. Linux works well if you're lucky with your hardware. The BSDs work well if you don't plan on doing all that many things the OS isn't equipped to do out of the box and if you don't have any weird hardware.

Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by jeroenhd »

butterNaN wrote: post #81
croh wrote: post #70

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I don't know what is the last time you used linux but lately there is great improvements in user experience. I know non-techie people using Linux Mint/ubuntu without any hassels.

I'm the de facto IT support for my family and neighbours. They are using Pop OS for about 3 years now. It has been great from both their UX and my maintenance perspective. My father even did the 20.10 to 21.04 LTS upgrade himself! I highly doubt if windows would've been as smooth an experience. (Macs are out of question for us since none of us are rich!)

Windows upgrades go so smoothly they've been repackaged as updates. They're also highly fault resistant by default with automated rollbacks out of the box.

I'm not saying Pop is bad, but Windows upgrades are super easy and user friendly (if you ignore the privacy risks that come with using Windows). I wish common Linux distros would pack something like system restore by default already! I know these tools (based on BTRFS/ZFS snapshots) exist and work great, but they need to be set up manually and most people won't.

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