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Apple becomes first tech giant to explicitly ban caste discrimination

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Re: Apple becomes first tech giant to explicitly ban caste discrimination

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In my opinion, companies should produce "challenges" for leading personal, from a sort of internal investigations team, and among them should be corruption challenges, security challenges, nepotism challenges and discrimination challenges. If you fail them, you get demoted or otherwise restructured. Of course, this creates a atmosphere of distrust, but some things, like Meritocratic atmosphere, are worth it.

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It produced a stagnated society, which fell behind the rest of the world and was conquered by the british as punishment. And will be conquered by the next society that does embrace inner turmoil and change, creating competition.

Regarding the natural order of things and stability, i have my very own opinions, i have voiced here, which got me downvote left, right and center.

We would not have google maps, if the map makers guild & caste in old london could have prevented its creation.

Creative destruction beats stability and harmony every time. To enshrine them, is to praise your future decendants slavery and missery.

Re: Apple becomes first tech giant to explicitly ban caste discrimination

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How about instead of being dismissive, which is against the guidelines, you try being instructive?

The original comment was dismissive instead on instructive.

It's passionate, but not dismissive, IMO.

In a Twitter thread criticizing the slavery endemic to Dubai, an Omani woman who lives in Germany - after defending slavery - told me using woke jargon that as a white person that I (she assumed I am white based on my profile pic) should never criticize any PoC cultural practices whatsoever under any circumstances. IIRC, she might have even told me to "stay in your lane".

With sincere love and respect to all those among us who want to right the wrongs of history and feel that anything other than full and total commitment is failure... "woke" is a motte-and-bailey doctrine with internal contradictions such that it cannot help anyone who is not already relatively privileged. Discussion of these contradictions is precluded and foreclosed a priori by its fundamental tenets. It was conceived of by elites, is propagated by elites and used by elites to maintain status and control.

As we see here.

Re: Apple becomes first tech giant to explicitly ban caste discrimination

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Excuse me but what the fuck.

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Genetic mutations and recombinations, as has been known for centuries. There is no need to make up some overarching esoteric narrative out of thin air that has people on the losing side of the lottery somehow "deserve" it.

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you may be thinking of something different from intersectionality. this situation is a perfect example of one of the most basic foundational concepts of intersectionality. - person A is discriminated against because of some trait - person A may use whatever power they have to diminish another person because of some trait their own group has historically oppressed. discrimination isn’t a direct straight line. it’s muc…

That’s the theory, which, if you actually took to its logical conclusion, would result in treating and evaluating every individual as an individual, and the entire concept of group identity as a short-hand mechanism for assigning “intersecting identities” would have to be abandoned. That’s not how it is applied in practice.

It does not follow logically but it still is prudent to do exactly that for reasons that intersectionality doesn't have a perspective on.

Re: Apple becomes first tech giant to explicitly ban caste discrimination

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It's nothing that requires much research. The current national government openly supports discrimination on religious and caste based backgrounds. 7 years of this, and people who used to think "Caste is a taboo subject, and we should be working around it", now think "Caste pride is cool".

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Don't you think posting a comment once is enough?

Re: Apple becomes first tech giant to explicitly ban caste discrimination

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There are various caste markers that casteist people use to identify the caste of the other person. Some of them include food preferences, accents (yes Indian languages also have different accents). I have seen that people can be casteist on both ends of a spectrum and it’s really hard to tell what marker of yours will be noted by the other party. I’ve seen that most people these days don’t try to pretend about hidin…

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So you justify a discriminatory social order that ossifies your place at the top by pointing to your religious belief in reincarnation. Surely you can see that that is not a compelling argument to anyone who doesn't share your religious beliefs. Religion is constantly used to justify bigotry.

For kicks, I'd like to take on your argument for reincarnation.

You argue that there must be a reason some people are born into fortune and others misfortune, otherwise the world would be unjust. And if the world were unjust, then I would be unable to complain when the government is unjust.

But I counter that yes, the world is unjust. Good things happen to bad people, bad things to good people, and we all are born into circumstances that we had no part in shaping. That is the state of nature. But regardless, we can and should create a society and government that seeks to be just.

Your argument assumes that the reader must believe the universe is just to demand that the government is just. But that assumption is unwarranted. Why should I believe in cosmic justice before I demand my government administer justly?

And then it requires a marvelous measure of optimism to hope that this game of semantics will create such a logical quandry for the reader that they will find no other means to resolve the paradox than to imagine first, that there must be a soul or spirit, and second, that that soul is reincarnated after death. What optimism to imagine that an entire metaphysics will be accepted as the solution to this paradox before the reader reconsiders the premises and chain of reasoning that led to this point. I would sooner conclude that the premise that not all humans are born equal is false than accerpt the conclusion of reincarnation. It's a far smaller leap.

Re: Apple becomes first tech giant to explicitly ban caste discrimination

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From what I hear from my Indian friends, this behaviour is quite ingrained. Like other racism, it will be challenging to prove.

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I'm from a middle-caste - one that currently qualifies for affirmative action quotas in my ancestral state in India, but is reasonably well off economically. Most Indian tech workers with caste names I can recognize are either Brahmin (priestly caste - highest in the ritual hierarchy, though often poor), or Agarwal (middle-caste but extremely wealthy). I eat meat. Most of the upper castes traditionally don't, but a l…

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Re: Apple becomes first tech giant to explicitly ban caste discrimination

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I love and hate this. I like it because it is an objectively good thing. Caste is still a major issue in non-urban lower-middle class communities in India. While you're unlikely to see people from that economic starta at FANG companies (privilege leads to more privilege), you do see these problems arise in tier-2 companies who hire large numbers of vendors and temporary Infosys/IBM consultancy hires. I hate it becaus…

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