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Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by adastra22 »

still_grokking wrote: post #53
fsw wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> PLEASE NOTE: On 2022-02-14, we decided to abandon the current path of using X11/KDE desktop components and write from scratch a new UI that will align better with our goals. A very early UI on the new WindowServer is starting to take shape as of 2022-07-27. Thanks for your patience as we work to make ravynOS the best possible version.

Oh, the good old "rewrite the world" approach. Good luck to the developers!

This is one instance where that approach probably pays dividends, if they can pull it off. Most macOS-like clones that I've tried fall short, due to there being only so much you can do to paper-over the Linux desktop experience. A sort of uncanny valley that I just can't get over and adjust to using.

Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by gield »

dolmen wrote: post #108
solardev wrote: post #88

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Mac has a different workflow for this. You copy and then "paste and move" at the destination, instead of the standard cut. But same result.

I was used to Ctrl+X, Ctrl+V to move files on Windows. What is the shortcut for "paste and move"?

⌘+C for copy

⌘+V for paste

⌘+⇧+V for paste and move

Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by rich_sasha »

prmoustache wrote: post #104
rich_sasha wrote: post #90

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I'm writing this from my Ubuntu desktop (LTE). Just a few months ago some update broke everything (graphics). Then somehow I fixed it, but it broke again on restart. It took best part of a week for me to fix. You might say it wasn't the best distribution for reliability, or that graphics with NVidia are always an issue etc. but the fact remains that, for me, for an OS to "just work out of the box", MacOS is much bett…

So basically you played with fire(nvidia) and got burned. There is one way to run nvidia stuff on Linux and have a decent experience: run a distro that actually support and has partnership with nvidia, which mean a distro like Redhat Enterprise Linux. It has long term support too. It is the same with Apple or windows if you start using shitty drivers from a shady brand you will run into issues at some point.

Well, that's one way to look at it: you need to carefully pick your distro, make sure it's compatible with your hardware, and so on.

My way is rather: I don't want to even pollute my brain cache with that. I want a Computer with an Operating System that Just Work. Because for me tinkering with the setup of my desktop is not fun, the fun bit is what I do with a properly working computer. I'll pay a premium to Apple for that (though, mind you, MBP is competitively priced with similarly-performant laptops), and I'd pay that same premium to a laptop+Linux provider.

Except... my confidence in the latter working well is lower. Because apart from fixing broken graphics drivers, I've also had to, in my days, debug:

- package managers that somehow got themselves into a bad state

- fight with linkers when trying to build fairly benign stuff on my desktop

- don't even mention printing

and many other things I don't even remember anymore.

Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by moondev »

drKarl wrote: post #100

That seems like a lot of work. If what you want is to be able to run MacOS X apps on a free (like in free speech) environment, there's https://www.darlinghq.org/ which is like Wine but for MacOs X apps. If what you want is to replicate the MacOS X UI you can customize the UI of your DE on Linux, or use something like ElementaryOS or use Pantheon. What are the goals of this project?

I find this gtk application theme and shell theme to go even further than elementary. The developer releases all sorts of themes with insane quality. You can even tweak them to suit your preference such as sidebar width and compact header size

https://github.com/vinceliuice/WhiteSur-gtk-theme

Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by awill »

I generally really dislike when companies make comparisons like this. They pick a market leader, and imply their v1 is just as good. It never is.

The Google of X The Apple of Y The Amazon of Z

It's almost always hype and it's annoying. It's as if they think they deserve credit for the intent, or the goal, rather than the actual product.

Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by adastra22 »

wodenokoto wrote: post #44
jmprspret wrote: post #24

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I don't use a Mac. How does one interrupt a program if Ctrl+C is bound to copy? At this point when I'm in a terminal Ctrl+C is muslce memory for interrupting a running program.

On Mac, ctr+c is not bound to copy. cmd+c is bound to copy. ctr+c will interrupt in a terminal. On Windows, ctr+c in a terminal will interrupt a running process, or, if text is highlighted, will copy that text instead of interrupting. It works really well, and took me a long time of doing this without issues to realize what I was actually doing.

I have used Windows all my life, and I learned this just now. No one ever told me that!

Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by prmoustache »

thatguy27 wrote: post #113
prmoustache wrote: post #93

Looks like lots of efforts to recreate the crappy MacOS X UI and user experience. I mean it was fine and less a mess than windows has ever been but it barely evolved since Nextstep in term of UI paradigm and feels dated nowadays. The interesting part in Apple products is mostly the hardware.

My UI experience is very limited (Windows and Linux only, I currently use XFCE4). What do you consider to be the best UI(s) currently offered (in an operating system)?

I feel gnome3 is a much better/faster/ergonomic. It works great regardless if you are a keyboard, mouse or touchscreen heavy user.

My only gripe is I wish firefox would integrate it better instead with an UI similar to (now defunct?) Eolie web browser.

Also I haven't spend enough time with it recently but I think kde plasma has the flexibility to be probably as good as gnome. I just don't like the default settings and have always been too lazy to dig deep into it. I used to love kde3.

Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by KronisLV »

thepangolino wrote: post #120
thatguy27 wrote: post #113

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My UI experience is very limited (Windows and Linux only, I currently use XFCE4). What do you consider to be the best UI(s) currently offered (in an operating system)?

The killer feature I saw in the last years was the HUD in that custom desktop environment Ubuntu had for a while before going back to gnome. The ability to just type and search through all menu items saved me so much time!

You probably mean the Unity desktop, which now seems to be maintained separately from what I can tell: https://ubuntuunity.org/

While I think that your take on Apple UI/UX not being good is rather contrarian (given that many quote them as some of the best in the industry), I agree that using Ubuntu with Unity was actually a reasonably pleasant experience, at least in the later years when they had addressed most of the quirks that the earlier versions struggled with.

Then again, I'm the kind of person who is also served perfectly well by something as simple as XFCE or LXQt, so maybe I'm a bit biased and my standards aren't the highest. Yet, I really appreciate a UI that's functional and feels snappy.

Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by adastra22 »

prmoustache wrote: post #99
rich_sasha wrote: post #67

The one thing keeping me on MacOS is that it is "*nix that works". I have never found Ubuntu / Linux to be as stable; worrying about updates breaking things, updates indeed breaking things, drivers randomly stopping working, googling in desperation for half-baked fixes online, randomly trying different options in some dotfile until stuff works etc. Mac just works; maybe there are features that Linux would give me, bu…

I hear a lot of people saying that. What I find out mostly is their last experience of linux on a desktop dates back to the early 2000 and or crappy distros like ubuntu.

What distro works more reliably than ubuntu?
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