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RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

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Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

#91
Nice project, however I’m worried about their scope (reimplementing the MacOs APIs?) being too large for their team, to achieve that level of ‘finessse’ a billion-worth company has made decades achieving.

Moreover in my opinion the contributor pool might be thin, most potentially interested users would prefer using MacOs, and most linux users being notoriously not fond of the lack of configuration. Happy to be proven wrong!

Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

#92
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For the tabs Ctrl+tab/Ctrl+shift+tab is the standard on Windows and Linux, so i can see how some apps can forget about macOS' specialness.

Speaking of this specialness... having the main system shortcut modifier – Cmd – physically located under both your thumbs is priceless. In contrast, the Ctrl keys are usually located such that they're best accessed with your pinkies. Who thought that making people use their weakest fingers for the most common shortcuts is a good idea? Could you remap your keys to have Ctrl keys under the thumbs in Windows / Linux? Y…

Maybe I'm the only one, but I remapped Cmd to Ctrl. After a lifetime of Windows and Linux using Ctrl as the main modifier key, this made things much easier for me. Having it be pinkie based has never been an issue. At least not for me. Others will vary, of course.

Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

#93
Looks like lots of efforts to recreate the crappy MacOS X UI and user experience. I mean it was fine and less a mess than windows has ever been but it barely evolved since Nextstep in term of UI paradigm and feels dated nowadays.

The interesting part in Apple products is mostly the hardware.

Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

#94

I struggle with chasing after the MacOS appearance. It feels in passing like a lot of work to build a skin/UI that will always be a few generations of the design language behind and not quite there, just given the volume of staff at Apple and them being the ones defining where their design language goes. Like a choice between a Porsche and, according to Google a Zotye -- they'll look close but one will be the obvious…

As with code, imitate first, improve upon later seems like a reasonable approach.

Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

#95
post #80

KDE is a better desktop environment than MacOS, by far. I have had so many usability issues with my Mac that does not exist in KDE/Linux. E.g. Apple confining the GUI and not including basic functionality. Specifically: - I really miss a decent address bar in finder that can be edited directly - some windows on mac are always on top, preventing access to other windows. E.g. Password dialogs for encrypted hard drives.…

None of those are bugs, just differences. sounds like you tried for a day and were annoyed it's not exactly as you are used to. Most of your issues simply work differently on macos, and many have been since before kde existed. Sure some could be better, but changing these would upset the whole user base. (And mac users could claim those things broken in kde in the same way) I have used windows, gnome2, gnome3, xfce,…

Most entries in posters list are complaints with how things work. Two of these seem like bugs.

> Sometimes audio balance will randomly shift to the left or right with bluetooth headphones

> There is a delay of ~100ms when pushing caps lock

Another seems objective not subjective

> Pressing enter in Finder renames a file instead of opening it

Who thinks the enter to rename is reasonable?

Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

#96
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For the tabs Ctrl+tab/Ctrl+shift+tab is the standard on Windows and Linux, so i can see how some apps can forget about macOS' specialness.

Speaking of this specialness... having the main system shortcut modifier – Cmd – physically located under both your thumbs is priceless. In contrast, the Ctrl keys are usually located such that they're best accessed with your pinkies. Who thought that making people use their weakest fingers for the most common shortcuts is a good idea? Could you remap your keys to have Ctrl keys under the thumbs in Windows / Linux? Y…

I use Karabiner-Elements to remap right option to right control. Apple should have made this key a control key IMO.

Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

#97
post #80

KDE is a better desktop environment than MacOS, by far. I have had so many usability issues with my Mac that does not exist in KDE/Linux. E.g. Apple confining the GUI and not including basic functionality. Specifically: - I really miss a decent address bar in finder that can be edited directly - some windows on mac are always on top, preventing access to other windows. E.g. Password dialogs for encrypted hard drives.…

None of those are bugs, just differences. sounds like you tried for a day and were annoyed it's not exactly as you are used to. Most of your issues simply work differently on macos, and many have been since before kde existed. Sure some could be better, but changing these would upset the whole user base. (And mac users could claim those things broken in kde in the same way) I have used windows, gnome2, gnome3, xfce,…

And what about all the bugs Apple seems to add on a daily basis and not fixing them than for month, years, or actually ever?

I can read in the news more or less every day that fundamental things like input devices, monitors, audio, or basic GUI features are messed up or bluntly broken in macOS. People already "joking" that one needs to way at least two or three point releases before trying out major updates. That's even worse than the situation on Windows by now (and MS is also breaking things with every update).

As a Linux user that uses a "perpetual beta" distri (Debian Testing) I'm horrified about such news. Comparable breakage does happen on my OS maybe 2 times in a decade on average, and when some catastrophe like that happens (monitor stops working, no audio, USB not working, or such) it's usually fixed within hours!

Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

#99

The one thing keeping me on MacOS is that it is "*nix that works". I have never found Ubuntu / Linux to be as stable; worrying about updates breaking things, updates indeed breaking things, drivers randomly stopping working, googling in desperation for half-baked fixes online, randomly trying different options in some dotfile until stuff works etc. Mac just works; maybe there are features that Linux would give me, bu…

I hear a lot of people saying that. What I find out mostly is their last experience of linux on a desktop dates back to the early 2000 and or crappy distros like ubuntu.

Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

#100
That seems like a lot of work. If what you want is to be able to run MacOS X apps on a free (like in free speech) environment, there's https://www.darlinghq.org/ which is like Wine but for MacOs X apps.

If what you want is to replicate the MacOS X UI you can customize the UI of your DE on Linux, or use something like ElementaryOS or use Pantheon.

What are the goals of this project?

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