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Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by Gualdrapo » Wed, Aug 17, 2022, 7:11 AM UTC

paldepind2 wrote: post #62

still_grokking wrote: post #39

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"Consistent shortcuts" is the main "feature" keeping me on KDE. Cmd+Shift+, opens preferences in every app. Alt+Left or Right (or Back or Forward) goes "back" and "forward", in every app that has those concepts Cmd+Tab or Cmd+Shift-Tab switches tabs, in every app that has tabs. Cmd+W closes the current tab by default, if the app has tabs, (or current window, if the app has no tabs) Cmd+Q quits the app. Etc. What's ag…

> One needs only to avoid GTK stuff, Electron, and Windows Software, and one gets perfectly consistent behavior. So as long as one avoids all the inconsistencies then one gets consistent shortcuts? ;) Only using Qt apps on Linux is very hard. A lot of good apps are GTK or Electron. On macOS there is no GTK & Qt divide and Electron apps are very good at implementing macOS shortcuts. Hence you get more consistent bindi…

> Cmd+Shift+/ to search all menus is also super useful and I don't think you can do that on KDE.

Not sure if this is what you're talking about, but KDE now has KCommandBar (or some name like that?), a HUD menu that can be invoked with Ctrl+Alt+I.

Though I as a KDE fan concede that the need for some GTK stuff is kinda disappointing, for me Firefox and Inkscape (can't care less about Electron stuff, though). Inkscape AppImages have turned out very handy, but alas the Firefox ones don't bundle GTK so you can't have a GTK-free system if you want to use Firefox.

Still though I don't think something as configurable as keyboard bindings are too much of a deal to promote or convince people about a DE or a OS.

Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by pdpi » Wed, Aug 17, 2022, 7:14 AM UTC

nikitaga wrote: post #13

At this point, "Consistent shortcuts" is the main "feature" keeping me on MacOS. Cmd+, opens preferences in every app. Cmd+[ or ] goes "back" and "forward", in every app that has those concepts Cmd+Shift+[ or ] switches tabs, in every app that has tabs, except a handful of stupid chat apps who think they're too good for it. Cmd+W always closes the current tab, if the app has tabs, (or current window, if the app has n…

On a similar note, it's pretty damn handy that just about every text box in macOS implements readline keyboard shortcuts.

Also, having ctrl and cmd be separate keys is a godsend. No, I don't want to kill the running app, I want to copy some text.

Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by comboy » Wed, Aug 17, 2022, 7:15 AM UTC

nikitaga wrote: post #31

sofixa wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For the tabs Ctrl+tab/Ctrl+shift+tab is the standard on Windows and Linux, so i can see how some apps can forget about macOS' specialness.

Speaking of this specialness... having the main system shortcut modifier – Cmd – physically located under both your thumbs is priceless. In contrast, the Ctrl keys are usually located such that they're best accessed with your pinkies. Who thought that making people use their weakest fingers for the most common shortcuts is a good idea? Could you remap your keys to have Ctrl keys under the thumbs in Windows / Linux? Y…

Have you tried mapping Ctrl to your CapsLock key? Pressed without any combination - Esc, with some other key(s) - Ctrl. It is under pinky, but in a very comfortable position, just like Enter.

Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by stolen_biscuit » Wed, Aug 17, 2022, 7:16 AM UTC

rich_sasha wrote: post #67

The one thing keeping me on MacOS is that it is "*nix that works". I have never found Ubuntu / Linux to be as stable; worrying about updates breaking things, updates indeed breaking things, drivers randomly stopping working, googling in desperation for half-baked fixes online, randomly trying different options in some dotfile until stuff works etc. Mac just works; maybe there are features that Linux would give me, bu…

Interesting - my experience has actually been the exact opposite. I always hesitate to update my Mac OS machine as it will inevitably break or misbehave, whereas I rarely run into issues upgrading my Ubuntu machine.

Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Aug 17, 2022, 7:16 AM UTC

nikitaga wrote: post #13

At this point, "Consistent shortcuts" is the main "feature" keeping me on MacOS. Cmd+, opens preferences in every app. Cmd+[ or ] goes "back" and "forward", in every app that has those concepts Cmd+Shift+[ or ] switches tabs, in every app that has tabs, except a handful of stupid chat apps who think they're too good for it. Cmd+W always closes the current tab, if the app has tabs, (or current window, if the app has n…

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Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Aug 17, 2022, 7:16 AM UTC

rich_sasha wrote: post #67

The one thing keeping me on MacOS is that it is "*nix that works". I have never found Ubuntu / Linux to be as stable; worrying about updates breaking things, updates indeed breaking things, drivers randomly stopping working, googling in desperation for half-baked fixes online, randomly trying different options in some dotfile until stuff works etc. Mac just works; maybe there are features that Linux would give me, bu…

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Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Aug 17, 2022, 7:17 AM UTC

jetpackjoe wrote: post #18

Being able to CMD+c to copy things in a terminal is one of my favorite things about programming on a Mac. Ctrl+c to copy everywhere, except the terminal (there it instead is an interrupt) is a major annoyance working in Linux

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Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Aug 17, 2022, 7:18 AM UTC

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nikitaga wrote: post #13

At this point, "Consistent shortcuts" is the main "feature" keeping me on MacOS. Cmd+, opens preferences in every app. Cmd+[ or ] goes "back" and "forward", in every app that has those concepts Cmd+Shift+[ or ] switches tabs, in every app that has tabs, except a handful of stupid chat apps who think they're too good for it. Cmd+W always closes the current tab, if the app has tabs, (or current window, if the app has n…

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Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Aug 17, 2022, 7:18 AM UTC

JacobSeated wrote: post #64

KDE is a better desktop environment than MacOS, by far. I have had so many usability issues with my Mac that does not exist in KDE/Linux. E.g. Apple confining the GUI and not including basic functionality. Specifically: - I really miss a decent address bar in finder that can be edited directly - some windows on mac are always on top, preventing access to other windows. E.g. Password dialogs for encrypted hard drives.…

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Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by ysleepy » Wed, Aug 17, 2022, 7:21 AM UTC

JacobSeated wrote: post #64

KDE is a better desktop environment than MacOS, by far. I have had so many usability issues with my Mac that does not exist in KDE/Linux. E.g. Apple confining the GUI and not including basic functionality. Specifically: - I really miss a decent address bar in finder that can be edited directly - some windows on mac are always on top, preventing access to other windows. E.g. Password dialogs for encrypted hard drives.…

None of those are bugs, just differences. sounds like you tried for a day and were annoyed it's not exactly as you are used to. Most of your issues simply work differently on macos, and many have been since before kde existed.

Sure some could be better, but changing these would upset the whole user base. (And mac users could claim those things broken in kde in the same way)

I have used windows, gnome2, gnome3, xfce, mac and so on and dislike kde, and gnome3, and all the others. Even mac is really dumb sometimes, but macos is the most polished by far.