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RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

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Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by grimgrin »

nikitaga wrote: post #31
sofixa wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For the tabs Ctrl+tab/Ctrl+shift+tab is the standard on Windows and Linux, so i can see how some apps can forget about macOS' specialness.

Speaking of this specialness... having the main system shortcut modifier – Cmd – physically located under both your thumbs is priceless. In contrast, the Ctrl keys are usually located such that they're best accessed with your pinkies. Who thought that making people use their weakest fingers for the most common shortcuts is a good idea? Could you remap your keys to have Ctrl keys under the thumbs in Windows / Linux? Y…

re: “priceless”, i mean i agree and set alt to ctrl for the same vibe on linux and windows

but otoh ppl have strong opinions for the exact same reasons (hand/finger dexterity) by assigning ctrl to caps lock

less weird-pinky/hand-rotation does feel like a win, though

Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by wodenokoto »

nikitaga wrote: post #13

At this point, "Consistent shortcuts" is the main "feature" keeping me on MacOS. Cmd+, opens preferences in every app. Cmd+[ or ] goes "back" and "forward", in every app that has those concepts Cmd+Shift+[ or ] switches tabs, in every app that has tabs, except a handful of stupid chat apps who think they're too good for it. Cmd+W always closes the current tab, if the app has tabs, (or current window, if the app has n…

I'm less impressed by MacOS shortcuts than you are.

Out of the box, several short-cuts conflicts.

Moreover, on non-US keyboards, many MacOS shortcuts are simply not reachable.

Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by deaddodo »

ricardobeat wrote: post #30

Why not pick up where Elementary OS left off, instead of starting from scratch?

I would argue picking up where GNUStep+Etoile left off, over Elementary.

Elementary is just a nice skin with some particular tweaks and add-ons. Etoile’s goal was more akin to what they’re trying to achieve here, an actual Objective-C+Cocoa user space with a Mac compatible open library,

Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by wodenokoto »

jmprspret wrote: post #24
jetpackjoe wrote: post #18

Being able to CMD+c to copy things in a terminal is one of my favorite things about programming on a Mac. Ctrl+c to copy everywhere, except the terminal (there it instead is an interrupt) is a major annoyance working in Linux

I don't use a Mac. How does one interrupt a program if Ctrl+C is bound to copy? At this point when I'm in a terminal Ctrl+C is muslce memory for interrupting a running program.

On Mac, ctr+c is not bound to copy. cmd+c is bound to copy. ctr+c will interrupt in a terminal.

On Windows, ctr+c in a terminal will interrupt a running process, or, if text is highlighted, will copy that text instead of interrupting.

It works really well, and took me a long time of doing this without issues to realize what I was actually doing.

Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by still_grokking »

nikitaga wrote: post #31
sofixa wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For the tabs Ctrl+tab/Ctrl+shift+tab is the standard on Windows and Linux, so i can see how some apps can forget about macOS' specialness.

Speaking of this specialness... having the main system shortcut modifier – Cmd – physically located under both your thumbs is priceless. In contrast, the Ctrl keys are usually located such that they're best accessed with your pinkies. Who thought that making people use their weakest fingers for the most common shortcuts is a good idea? Could you remap your keys to have Ctrl keys under the thumbs in Windows / Linux? Y…

> 1) It will become hard to use Ctrl-based text navigation shortcuts (such as Ctrl+left to navigate one word left) with one hand

Why would it be any different than on macOS?

> 2) Ctrl+Tab will now use the same physical keys as Alt+Tab used to, and your brain will never heal from this (at least mine refuses to).

So why not switch this also? Where's the problem?

At least on Linux there are no issues. It's mostly clicking one checkbox, and changing "Alt-Tab" to "Ctrl-Tab".

Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

#47

Post by jhoelzel »

Thanks for your work, i like the design choices you made.

I believe that a bigger factor today is the third party support for your system.

stuff like teams not working, or netflix not being able to stream in 4k makes me still keep my windows machine, even though at this point its basically a firefox / vscode terminal with extra apps and of course a system level integration of docker.

Im pretty sure there is enough room for a true developer OS but it still needs to do all the "little" things that we have grown accustomed to.

Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by Nursie »

weikju wrote: post #7

Looks like this is a rebrand from the Airyx project that was posted before [1] [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28068542

Thanks, yeah that slightly confused me because the screenshots on the sight all talk about Airxy, rather than RavynOS.

Other than that it looks interesting, a sorta-Mac-aesthetic sorta-BSD.

Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by rileymat2 »

still_grokking wrote: post #39
nikitaga wrote: post #13

At this point, "Consistent shortcuts" is the main "feature" keeping me on MacOS. Cmd+, opens preferences in every app. Cmd+[ or ] goes "back" and "forward", in every app that has those concepts Cmd+Shift+[ or ] switches tabs, in every app that has tabs, except a handful of stupid chat apps who think they're too good for it. Cmd+W always closes the current tab, if the app has tabs, (or current window, if the app has n…

"Consistent shortcuts" is the main "feature" keeping me on KDE. Cmd+Shift+, opens preferences in every app. Alt+Left or Right (or Back or Forward) goes "back" and "forward", in every app that has those concepts Cmd+Tab or Cmd+Shift-Tab switches tabs, in every app that has tabs. Cmd+W closes the current tab by default, if the app has tabs, (or current window, if the app has no tabs) Cmd+Q quits the app. Etc. What's ag…

I switch between linux, windows and mac on a daily basis. Mac short cuts are far more consistent.

Now, copy and paste. It is cmd-c in mac, in ubuntu you can’t tell me unless I tell you if I am in a terminal or not.

But most of all, readline shortcuts ctrl-a goes to the beginning of a line in nearly ever mac app. Not so in linux.

Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by coolandsmartrr »

wodenokoto wrote: post #42
nikitaga wrote: post #13

At this point, "Consistent shortcuts" is the main "feature" keeping me on MacOS. Cmd+, opens preferences in every app. Cmd+[ or ] goes "back" and "forward", in every app that has those concepts Cmd+Shift+[ or ] switches tabs, in every app that has tabs, except a handful of stupid chat apps who think they're too good for it. Cmd+W always closes the current tab, if the app has tabs, (or current window, if the app has n…

I'm less impressed by MacOS shortcuts than you are. Out of the box, several short-cuts conflicts. Moreover, on non-US keyboards, many MacOS shortcuts are simply not reachable.

Some of the offenders surprisingly include newer Apple apps like Books. Some of the commands are not included with shortcuts. Seems like they weren't thinking too much about desktop users when they ported it from iOS.
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