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You can't afford to be an artist and/or author, let alone be respected

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Re: You can't afford to be an artist and/or author, let alone be respected

#141
A little life story:

I had commercial success in art at the humble age of 23. Not only were my paintings respected and collected by accomplished and wealthy individuals, they formed commissions for years to come. My success was the result of an obsession with craftsmanship and clever word-of-mouth marketing.

Suddenly, one day after insisting on meeting the deadline of the expensive commission, I had a headache and my nose was bleeding. Fortunately, it turned out to be a minimal problem as a result of stress.

I stopped painting for a month and went to rest in the mountains. There I discovered that, influenced by success and the pursuit of perfection, I had lost the most valuable of my talents.

To enjoy the process.

I then vowed to no longer let the need for material success and validation come before my need to express myself visually and feel enjoyment of the freedom to change my artistic style or experiment without direction.

I returned the prepaid orders, apologized for the disappointment I was causing, and moved on.

Not only that, but I realized that I would have to work another job if I wanted to keep the purity of the process for myself.

I began in graphic design, moved to web design and started a web solutions company.

And when my friends ask me to this day: How could you turn your back on your successful art career?

I answer them:

I don't paint for you. I paint for myself. It's part of my life. A place where there are no compromises, no demands, no expectations, no projections, no assessments, no tasks, no metrics, no applause and no glory.

A place where I am happy.

Re: You can't afford to be an artist and/or author, let alone be respected

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It begs the question of whether software can be akin to art, music, and poetry. While most software just attempts to be functional (minimally at times), at least some programmers take great pride in their work and try to create software that is elegant and interesting. It is kind of like traditional architecture. Most buildings are just designed and built with a purpose in mind with not as much thought into creating…

Didget looks pretty interesting, I’d be interested in hearing more. I just dropped you a message on your site…

Re: You can't afford to be an artist and/or author, let alone be respected

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post #135

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With the development of AI, it's been quite an experience to see artists grasping the fact that their craft is not the magical thing they think it is.

DALL·E 2 and co are pretty neat, but the output mostly sucks as art. Good art comes from somewhere, having provenance in person, place, culture, and time. Really great art can be quite moving, and I've yet to see anything AI generated that elicits more than a chuckle or a mild "huh neat" from anyone who doesn't know why it's technically impressive.

It's quite simple to verify your assertion. Someone should show people some pieces of art and ask them to rate the quality of each of them. If the rating between human-made art and machine-made art doesn't differ significantly, then we can comfortably say that there is nothing special on art produced by humans. I think I know what the result will be, but hopefully some researcher will carefully investigate this issue.

Re: You can't afford to be an artist and/or author, let alone be respected

#144
There are places in the world where the art/author scene is thriving. For example - there's only 30K journalists working for 6K newspapers in the ENTIRE USA[1], which is a rather tiny, pathetic number if you think about. it. Whereas in developing countries such as India, that number is much, much higher. Newspapers and media are a growth industry in India. Whereas in the USA, newspapers are shutting down at the rate of 2 per week. Since the average Indian is very likely to read an English newspaper, it paradoxically makes sense for American journalists to relocate to India and practice their craft there! The canonical posterboy for this case is Anand Giridhardas[2]. His parents, like most Indian immigrants, bent over backwards to obtain a coveted American visa, became citizens and settle down peacefully in Seattle - only to find that their All-American kid, born & brought up entirely in the USA with zero connections to India, decided to become a journalist, went to journo school, then decided to relocate to India & become a reporter over there! I used to be a member of a journo association back in the day, and Anand's name was always mentioned as some sort of puzzle - why would an American kid, that too born to Indian parents who would insist that their kid pursue STEM or medicine so some such stable lucrative profession, end up as a journalist, and even worse, go back to India, when it was so difficult for his parents to immigrate to the USA in the first place ?!

[1] https://whyy.org/articles/us-newspapers-dying-2-per-week/

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anand_Giridharadas

Re: You can't afford to be an artist and/or author, let alone be respected

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> That is, the art itself has no inherit value. The actual value of a piece of art is whatever you can convince someone to pay for it. This goes for any good or service. Usually when people talk about the "value of something" they mean "the price that people are willing to pay for it".

Sure, in a sense, but I think the point of where exactly it occupies on the hierarchy of needs is worthwhile to keep in mind.

I don't think that argument holds up. A VR headset, say, is astronomically high up the hierarchy of needs, but I know very few people who'd say the inherent value of a piece of modern technology is zero.

It really seems to be art specifically which people are often keen to describe as worthless, not any particular category of good that artwork might fall into.

Re: You can't afford to be an artist and/or author, let alone be respected

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That’s true for almost any field.

Not for fields that require some kind of performance

So it's good for some fields other than performers?

I've met plenty of stock brokers and engineers that skate by on credentials - I try to avoid them professionally because they tend to produce workplaces with exceedingly high demands and low compensation due to the drain they introduce on the system... but they continue to exist.

Heck, HN has many time had discussion on C-level folks who basically revolving door their way from failure to failure and still get huge golden parachutes when they sign on to a new company even though their performance history is trash.

Re: You can't afford to be an artist and/or author, let alone be respected

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Outside of my regular job, I am an indie folk music artist, trying to rise in the local music scene here in Dnipro, Ukraine. Even though learning to be a musician from scratch in my 20s was a hard process that took years and years, by far the hardest part of it was trying to establish a passive income, so I could have enough free time for practicing, performing and writing music. A lot of my talented peers are so muc…

I really do wish we had "basic income" in the US. Besides helping out the lowest socioeconomic class, it really seems like this would benefit artists, too.

Well the COVID gave a taste of it still can't put inflation under control from that experiment.

Re: You can't afford to be an artist and/or author, let alone be respected

#149
The article is spot on. To a degree, the world has decided that it's actually not interested in high quality / long form content at all. I want to unpack that brutal statement a little.

Distribution: Completely broken. Wherever you look, algorithms are gamed by a small group of people knowing how to play the game. It's incredibly demotivating to see mediocre grifters constantly winning, whilst people producing far better content get no traction.

Winning is not winning: say you get lucky and do have a little hit piece, imagine 100K likes. This typically translates into very little meaning. Hardly any new followers, only low quality comments, no real "conversion", donations, etc. The engagement "success" is very inflated.

Saturation: People are already on their max screen time, the difference between your awesome work and some lesser work is tiny as it comes to what consumers will do, which is not much at all if everything is endless. Hence deep engagement becomes almost an impossibility. This "Tiktok-ization" of the internet makes this even worse.

Popularity: In big spaces where the masses hang out, you're subject to popular taste. A cute kitten will outrank your very best work.

Monetization: pretty much nobody will pay for anything even if they directly and deeply engage with your works. Typical donation rates are 0.1% of the actively returning audience. Virtually nobody has an audience size to make this meaningful.

So the bottom line is that if you do something high quality, genuinely, out of the goodness of your heart, the internet has infinite ways to encourage you to stop doing that.

If you think all of this is bad, just wait what this next AI wave will do.

Re: You can't afford to be an artist and/or author, let alone be respected

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post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

DALL·E 2 and co are pretty neat, but the output mostly sucks as art. Good art comes from somewhere, having provenance in person, place, culture, and time. Really great art can be quite moving, and I've yet to see anything AI generated that elicits more than a chuckle or a mild "huh neat" from anyone who doesn't know why it's technically impressive.

It's quite simple to verify your assertion. Someone should show people some pieces of art and ask them to rate the quality of each of them. If the rating between human-made art and machine-made art doesn't differ significantly, then we can comfortably say that there is nothing special on art produced by humans. I think I know what the result will be, but hopefully some researcher will carefully investigate this issue…

You’re talking about a question of taste, and I’m sure you could find a group of people and some samples where the group prefers the AI generated images. That seems almost tautological.

There’s more to art than the mere appeal of an image to random people. Some great art is disturbing, but it is emotionally resonant. No doubt some of these AI images are quite neat to look at, but they’re basically assemblages, high tech collages. It’s a futurist parlor trick.

Philosophically art requires consciousness and a conscious will to express something. These AIs aren’t conscious and don’t make art.

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