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Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer

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Re: Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm firmly in the camp that it's not patriotic to stylize the American flag in any way... but I'd love it if you expanded on how this version is racist.

The "thin blue line" flag is used almost exclusively by the far-right, and more specifically by white supremacists. The flag on the Lightning isn't that flag, but it does resemble it.

And here I was thinking it was used by people that appreciate their local police force and understand the stresses they are under.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer

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Generally speaking the horrifying quality of Ford's electronics have been enough to keep me away from even considering purchasing one. Absolutely nothing works right and certainly nothing works well. It may or may not be able to connect bluetooth, it may or may not acknowledge a USB device, it may or may not start blaring whatever FM station was last tuned in for no reason on startup, or start playing the first album…

>Mazda is apparently taking the right approach here -- increasing the tactile buttons on the dash and console, and ditching touchscreens. Huh? After using both Ford's (2022 Explorer) and Mazda's (2022 CX-7) infotainment systems recently for several weeks, I couldn't disagree more. Android Auto and CarPlay interfaces were designed for touchscreen control. Mazda forcing the use of a wheel, like a joystick is a safety h…

I have a 2020 Mazda 6 and I love the safety focus of its infotainment. But the ludicrously bad latency is infuriating. Button presses - especially will sometimes get buffered for 10/20s and sometimes they're ignored altogether.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer

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Can confirm. I have an F-150 Lightning. The UI sucks and is slow. Much worse than my Teslas. It takes like 30 seconds when I get in the truck and turn it on before it's even usable. Switching between CarPlay and the native interface is ridiculous. It's a great truck though. Love it. :) AMA.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer

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> The result is that the software experience of the Lightning often feels trapped in the past, with no clear path to the future because Ford’s real software efforts lie elsewhere.

I have a Ford Fusion. The software has remained essentially untouched since I bought it. They rely almost entirely on Android Auto, which has it's own host of bugs and incompatibilities.

There's a primary learning from Tesla to be made here: infotainment is a core part of the business. Build it in house.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer

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post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I own a Mazda and using Android Auto with physical controls works just fine, no idea what the OP is talking about. All the main driving features are accessible by buttons and don't need eyes off the road. It's a massive difference in compasion to some brands that require you to use touchscreen to switch to next track or adjust AC temp.

Which cars have touchscreens and don't have steering wheel media controls?

Renault Zoe was the last one I've drove with that annoying issue (at least the model I had).

There was also a BMW Series 1, that requred selecting a media page in dashboard screen and then selecting a next track button. (No support for Auto on that one tho.)

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer

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Generally speaking the horrifying quality of Ford's electronics have been enough to keep me away from even considering purchasing one. Absolutely nothing works right and certainly nothing works well. It may or may not be able to connect bluetooth, it may or may not acknowledge a USB device, it may or may not start blaring whatever FM station was last tuned in for no reason on startup, or start playing the first album…

>Apple CarPlay and Android Auto are okay-ish, but frankly I find the experience of just having the phone on a mount and using that as the display to be far superior in almost every way.

That's super confusing to me. How is that superior to the larger presentation of (e.g.) CarPlay that has (a) bigger touch targets and (b) an automatically filtered presentation of apps relevant to driving?

I find CarPlay to be so good that I will not consider an automobile that lacks it. I've never used the Android equivalent, but I just assume it's on par.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer

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It's been 10+ years since cars have gotten screwed in the Consumer Reports and other outlets for bad infotainment.

What's the fix? VW's MIB2/MIB2.5 was pretty much the pinnacle of automotive head unit innovation, IMHO, and it wasn't due to the technology - it's QNX and J9 Java like so many head units before it. It just... worked, which seems a bridge too far for modern infotainment.

I think C+D and other outlets need to start scoring cars based on their head units, or at least considering them. Much like tires, it's clear that these venues have enough power to bend the industry to some extent.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer

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It's incredibly frustrating to me that buying a vehicle with a pushbutton, working, reliable interface is becoming increasingly impossible to do. Why is UX so horrifically bad in the vehicle space? Is it poor management decisions or a shortage of good UX engineers? I get that lumping everything into the touchscreen can be a cheaper option to build, but I'd GLADLY pay for a different option. I don't understand it.

Cars seating is horrible and bad for backs. Trends, tradition and short term cost decide most design considerations not practicality or what’s best.

Depends on the car and the person. I have back problems and almost no office chairs are usable for me. I can easily drive 10 hours in my car with no issues. Sometimes, my back feels better after a drive that long.
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