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Seems a little entitled to me. Why should artists be able to spend their time doing exactly what they want while all the boring plebs have to pick vegetables/write CRUD apps? Sounds like someone is upset that more people dont find utility in their work
This piece touches on the inherent tension between originality and selling out (or selling to the masses) that I've definitely seen in comic circles. So many aspiring indie artists/comic creators who think Patreon is their easy ticket to a passive and liveable income when the stark reality is much different. It's why my first piece of advice to any creative is to have a dayjob that maximizes their free time to create…
I've personally been part of about a dozen musical albums, i've never seen a penny or any recognition for it. One thing i managed to upload to the internet got a third of a million hits, but it was happenstance, not music, and i just happened to edit wikipedia very quickly and have a really good sound file host at the time. It was the "re-awakening" of the UVB-76 "buzzer" in ~2010 - and i can't even remember how i recorded it anymore! Wired magazine and a few other outlets approached me to license the recording. If you've heard the "NAIMINA" recording of UVB-76, that was something that was originally put on the internet by me.
I haven't released a "real" song in over a decade.
I can say from experience that becoming a self-employed artist is possible, but not easy or quick.
My path was to find a full-time job that used different parts of my brain from my art. I used my limited free time to brainstorm, create, and publish whatever I could make time for to slowly build an audience for about a decade.
Eventually enough folks discovered my work (and found themselves jobs themselves that allowed them more discretionary income) that becoming a self-employed artist became feasible for me.
Over three-quarters of my revenue is direct audience support like tips or Patreon. I make enough for my kid to have opportunities my parents couldn’t afford for me—while determining my own schedule and being more available to her day-to-day than my dad could be either.
I acknowledge it’s a gamble to buy supplies and spend time to make something, publish it, and travel to meet your audience a few times a year. I admit I’m lucky it paid off for me. But it isn’t as near impossible as the author makes it out to be.
I saw a great commentary from an art gallery owner on Tiktok about the "inherent value" of art. The inherent value of art is zero. That is, the art itself has no inherent value. The actual value of a piece of art is whatever you can convince someone to pay for it. One thing that can help is having receipts of what you've sold an artists work for in the past, since you can use that to inflate that amount a current pie…
> That is, the art itself has no inherit value. The actual value of a piece of art is whatever you can convince someone to pay for it. This goes for any good or service. Usually when people talk about the "value of something" they mean "the price that people are willing to pay for it".
I saw a great commentary from an art gallery owner on Tiktok about the "inherent value" of art. The inherent value of art is zero. That is, the art itself has no inherent value. The actual value of a piece of art is whatever you can convince someone to pay for it. One thing that can help is having receipts of what you've sold an artists work for in the past, since you can use that to inflate that amount a current pie…
This is a capitalist view of value, but it has flaws in relation to art. The problem is that art does not exist in a vacuum. To get at the real value of art, something that is not a necessity, you would need to somehow query every individual in a way where they had all their needs met and enough expendable income to use on art so that they would seriously consider buying it. But it can't be too much wealth or the sit…
But do we? As in, are there artists who receive money regardless of their production?
Even on Patreon, most artists are paid because they're regularly putting out art, not because they exist as an artist. They're being paid to churn out art on a regular basis for their patrons, not for society as a whole.
Earlier quoted context omitted.
In fact, the Mona Lisa didn't become an iconic painting to the general public for a very long time. But, in general, while there's a lot of variation in musical styles/art styles/etc. that a given person likes, I find that there's fairly broad agreement that an expert list of, say, the 50 top classic rock songs are pretty good--among people who like classic rock even if they might disagree on the order.
It got famous after it was stolen and “returned.” I know a few art nerds who are convinced the one we know is a fake and the original is lost/destroyed.
I saw a great commentary from an art gallery owner on Tiktok about the "inherent value" of art. The inherent value of art is zero. That is, the art itself has no inherent value. The actual value of a piece of art is whatever you can convince someone to pay for it. One thing that can help is having receipts of what you've sold an artists work for in the past, since you can use that to inflate that amount a current pie…
I saw a great commentary from an art gallery owner on Tiktok about the "inherent value" of art. The inherent value of art is zero. That is, the art itself has no inherent value. The actual value of a piece of art is whatever you can convince someone to pay for it. One thing that can help is having receipts of what you've sold an artists work for in the past, since you can use that to inflate that amount a current pie…
Not trying to be a dick, but it's "inherent".
This piece touches on the inherent tension between originality and selling out (or selling to the masses) that I've definitely seen in comic circles. So many aspiring indie artists/comic creators who think Patreon is their easy ticket to a passive and liveable income when the stark reality is much different. It's why my first piece of advice to any creative is to have a dayjob that maximizes their free time to create…
Patreon isn't an easy ticket, but it does seem like it's opened up some interesting opportunities. I listen to a few podcasts where the hosts have been able to quit their full time jobs and live on Patreon income. Being funded by Patreon as opposed to ads means you don't necessarily need to maintain a huge audience to live, just a dedicated one. So you're more free to explore less popular topics that you know the aud…
there's somewhere in the ballpark of 5,000,000 serialized podcasts. "Most ... fail" is barely descriptive!