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Re: Ask HN: Is RSS dying? Or coming back?

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RSS is either decreasing or increasing. I feel like it’s still working well enough (I use it) but if I’d have to guess I would say it’s decreasing (and thus will die). What it needs is a bunch of volunteers to implement it for all languages (provide libraries) and frameworks (provide rss feeds by default for blogs and cms). For the most part it works quite well, but I think some static blog generators, or centralized…

I’m pretty sure there’s a few dozen to hundreds of rss libraries for any language you could want.

Wordpress provides RSS feeds out of the box without doing a thing. Static generators like Jekyll (GitHub uses) support generating RSS feeds as well.

It’s not an issue of this being difficult to implement. It’s been around for decades. It’s widely supported.

Re: Ask HN: Is RSS dying? Or coming back?

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Its strongest hold is definitely in Podcasting. Right now, thats basically all a podcast feed is, its an RSS feed. This is largely due to the hands off nature that Apple had with podcasting for so long, though Spotify[0] is trying to wrestle this control over the ecosystem in moving away from publishing an open RSS feed.

Its very much alive in this way though, at least for now, and I think its important to recognize the role of RSS in keeping podcast distribution fairly uniform and relatively meritocratic. I think this why it has exploded as a medium, in part. Its also why you get such a fantastic selection of great third party players.

Unfortunately, I think RSS for news is already past its prime, though alot of "indie" sites and blogs still do have feeds it seems.

[0]: https://singhkays.com/blog/how-spotify-is-killing-the-open-p...

Re: Ask HN: Is RSS dying? Or coming back?

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post #12

RSS is either decreasing or increasing. I feel like it’s still working well enough (I use it) but if I’d have to guess I would say it’s decreasing (and thus will die). What it needs is a bunch of volunteers to implement it for all languages (provide libraries) and frameworks (provide rss feeds by default for blogs and cms). For the most part it works quite well, but I think some static blog generators, or centralized…

Thanks! This is (also) what I meant by development -- ensuring there's an ecosystem of connectors, libraries etc. around it to facilitate adoption/usage.

What do you believe is missing?

RSS is xml. It supports xml namespaces for extensions.

Did you know that podcast feeds are RSS feeds plus a xml namespace specific for podcasts?

https://podcasters.apple.com/support/823-podcast-requirement...

Re: Ask HN: Is RSS dying? Or coming back?

#24
Hard to say that it’s coming back I think.

My my.yahoo.com (yes, I know, Yahoo! Is hardly a worthwhile data point these days) was carefully constructed of a dozen or more RSS feeds, and 80-90% are now dead. I tried resurrecting a few on the assumption that the sources just changed their URI, but all (maybe 3?) that I tried had no RSS feed any more, or none that I could find.

I think two were now paywalled sites, which is probably the broader trend - RSS is just a different form of ad-blocking from the content-provider’s perspective.

Re: Ask HN: Is RSS dying? Or coming back?

#25

Seems like mailing lists are getting popular. I wish I could have those in my RSS reader.

RSS readers that manage mailing lists:

Inoreader: https://www.inoreader.com/blog/2020/02/declutter-your-inbox-...

Newsblur: https://blog.newsblur.com/2016/07/01/newsletters-in-your-new... (open source and self-hostable)

Feedly: https://feedly.com/i/pro

Also, Kill the Newsletter (https://kill-the-newsletter.com/) converts newsletters to RSS feeds, and is open source/self-hostable.

Re: Ask HN: Is RSS dying? Or coming back?

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The thing about RSS is that big tech companies are not very fond of it because it gives too much control to the user and it's not so easy to flood you with ads when you use it. So, many of those companies either don't offer RSS, or they have it but they don't advertise it much and maybe they just do the bare minimum.

Unfortunately, since social media has replaced blogs as the go-to place for discussions and user-generated content in general, this means that a lot of the platforms that people use most frequently don't have an RSS feed, or have it but it's not very useful for whatever reason.

However: many, many other webpages out there do offer RSS, and I'm guessing that plenty of people use it, at least on technical circles. I use it mostly for comics and, to a lesser extent, for a few personal blogs and even news. A lot of people use it for podcasts. It has also been used to automatically download new episodes of TV shows in torrent downloaders (I'm guessing that you could mark this particular application as controversial; I won't comment on that. But it is useful at the very least). Also, if used properly, it allows for a lot of user control. You could, for example, pipe a youtube RSS into yt-dlp so that videos from a particular creator are automatically downloaded into a folder in your computer, or use any alert of new content to trigger whatever you want to do (like custom alerts when someone comments in a blog of yours, or whatever). RSS has a lot of potential, and because of that I don't think it's going away soon.

Now, you are also worried about the problem of content discovery. There is a problem here, because whenever we as users want a source of curated content, advertisers are going to do whatever they can in order to squeeze their shit into our pipes. So I personally prefer a "dumb" protocol like RSS where I just say "give me new updates from just THIS site", and leave discovery to more organic, less automated (therefore less gameable by advertisers) means. The closest I can think of to solve your problem is the usage of blog rings/networks (they used to exist, ten years ago... I don't know the state of the art right now), but this still means that there is someone doing the aggregation.

Re: Ask HN: Is RSS dying? Or coming back?

#27

Seems like mailing lists are getting popular. I wish I could have those in my RSS reader.

RSS readers that manage mailing lists: Inoreader: https://www.inoreader.com/blog/2020/02/declutter-your-inbox-... Newsblur: https://blog.newsblur.com/2016/07/01/newsletters-in-your-new... (open source and self-hostable) Feedly: https://feedly.com/i/pro Also, Kill the Newsletter ( https://kill-the-newsletter.com/ ) converts newsletters to RSS feeds, and is open source/self-hostable.

I really should get around to self-hosting my RSS reader.

Re: Ask HN: Is RSS dying? Or coming back?

#29
I really hope it is not dying, as it is my favorite way of following sites around the web. Recently I also started attacking my YouTube dependency by adding YT channels as RSS feeds and avoid the YT homepage. I only store feeds for the most relevant YT channels and I get notified when a new video is posted on those channels. If anyone is interested: view the source of a YT channel, look for "externalId", copy that ID then append it to "https://www.youtube.com/feeds/videos.xml?channel_id=".

Re: Ask HN: Is RSS dying? Or coming back?

#30

RSS is holding strong. I run a network of news aggregators ( https://TechURLs.com , https://DevURLs.com , and many others) and only two or three news sources out of a hundred have removed their RSS feeds over the last two years.

It would be nice to have an RSS of your aggregator, but i love it already.
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