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You don't think there are folks in India interested in discussing DEI with respect to caste or colorism? What about in the EU? You don't think there are people there enthusiastically discussing DEI?
“DEI” is both a very recent and a uniquely western ideological construction.
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Ironically it tends to be high caste Indians who push this stuff (perhaps because of higher education levels). Maybe they’ll be circumspect about dishing it out to white people after some sessions having to confess their “Brahmin privilege.”
>> Wouldn't lose much either. I'd argue they'd gain face in today's climate. "DEI best practices aren't just for white people anymore" is probably a good look. > Ironically it tends to be high caste Indians who push this stuff (perhaps because of higher education levels). High caste Indian immigrants or their American children? I have trouble imagining someone raised outside of the American cultural context getting e…
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There are some correlations between phenotypes and caste (and there is a lot of genetic stratification when you look at ancestry), but caste really cuts across race - there are lower caste groups in North India that look more "white" than upper caste groups in South India.
> there are lower caste groups in North India that look more "white" than upper caste groups in South India Definitions of race don’t require a skin-color gradient. Plenty of Asians are lighter skinned than white Mediterraneans.
See this book: https://www.amazon.com/Whitewashed-Americas-Invisible-Minori...
I have mixed feelings on this. There are of course things that aren't explicitly prohibited by workplace policies but are no doubt unacceptable - e.g. discriminating against left-handed employees. But it's still useful to have explicit policies against caste discrimination to make clear that it's unacceptable. On the other hand, as an Indian in a top tech company we're more likely to experience racism than casteism (…
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I agree with the general sentiment of this comment, but would add that the employee breakdown should match the applicant pool's demographics, not the demographic breakdown at large. For example, to expect a gender breakdown close to 50-50 would be unrealistic in software engineering roles since generally women are less represented in those roles. Though id love to see this shift (Women in stem!!)
Some companies do go out of their ways however to try and match that 50:50, or to get "equal" representation in races. Which really just turns into being discriminatory hiring, but they'll call it "diverse hiring".
Out of curiosity, for Indians working in America, how hard is it to hide your caste or pretend to be of another caste altogether? Is this something that comes up in conversation among Indians? Do names tend to correlate to you caste? And if so, do people change them as a way of hiding their family caste?
In the Sikh way of life, first names are gender-neutral and everyone takes the surname Singh or Kaur (deleting the family last name) to specifically combat caste and gender discrimination. I'm speaking of the ideals of the faith here, I know in practice it's different - caste creeps back in, but the Sikh faith began in the late 1400's as a revolution against caste injustice and discrimination.
Out of curiosity, for Indians working in America, how hard is it to hide your caste or pretend to be of another caste altogether? Is this something that comes up in conversation among Indians? Do names tend to correlate to you caste? And if so, do people change them as a way of hiding their family caste?
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You don't think there are folks in India interested in discussing DEI with respect to caste or colorism? What about in the EU? You don't think there are people there enthusiastically discussing DEI?
“DEI” is both a very recent and a uniquely western ideological construction.
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Casteism, while bad, is not racism. Saying casteism is ingrained in Indians on the other hand is racism.
> Casteism, while bad, is not racism. Saying casteism is ingrained in Indians on the other hand is racism. Doesn't caste have some deep origins with race? I'm under the impression that thousands of years ago Indo-Europeans invaded an India populated by darker-skinned natives, and formed an elite that now finds some expression in caste. I could be wrong, though.