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American Airlines agrees to purchase Boom Supersonic Overture aircraft

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Re: American Airlines agrees to purchase Boom Supersonic Overture aircraft

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Post by bobthepanda »

chx wrote: post #132
alphabetting wrote: post #3

Overture is being designed to carry 65 to 80 passengers at Mach 1.7 over water — or twice the speed of today’s fastest commercial aircraft — with a range of 4,250 nautical miles. Optimized for speed, safety and sustainability, Overture is also being designed to fly more than 600 routes around the world in as little as half the time. Flying from Miami to London in just under five hours and Los Angeles to Honolulu in t…

This is not a winning proposition. Even if we presume these will fly from a VIP terminal so the time you spend at an airport is low, you still need to get there. I just can't see everyone being flown in and out on a helicopter but maybe my imagination is stunted. Once you begin to add up those hours, you are just not saving enough time for the surely astronomical cost. You'd need a much longer range for this to be a…

Boom Supersonic is targeting current business class seat costs per mile. So it‘s not Concorde level crazy.

Re: American Airlines agrees to purchase Boom Supersonic Overture aircraft

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alphabetting wrote: post #3

Overture is being designed to carry 65 to 80 passengers at Mach 1.7 over water — or twice the speed of today’s fastest commercial aircraft — with a range of 4,250 nautical miles. Optimized for speed, safety and sustainability, Overture is also being designed to fly more than 600 routes around the world in as little as half the time. Flying from Miami to London in just under five hours and Los Angeles to Honolulu in t…

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Re: American Airlines agrees to purchase Boom Supersonic Overture aircraft

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Post by hef19898 »

bobthepanda wrote: post #141
chx wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not a winning proposition. Even if we presume these will fly from a VIP terminal so the time you spend at an airport is low, you still need to get there. I just can't see everyone being flown in and out on a helicopter but maybe my imagination is stunted. Once you begin to add up those hours, you are just not saving enough time for the surely astronomical cost. You'd need a much longer range for this to be a…

Boom Supersonic is targeting current business class seat costs per mile. So it‘s not Concorde level crazy.

You can target any price you want, if you achieve it is a different story. All eVTOL companies arw targeting prices below taxi rates and have yet to proof thatvthey can actually do it.

Re: American Airlines agrees to purchase Boom Supersonic Overture aircraft

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Post by seydor »

HPsquared wrote: post #70

Boom is quite the name for such a speculative business. What's next, Bubble Airships Inc? (Luxury cruises, the slow route). They could also have a side business in submarine expeditions.

I thought it was a reference to the supersonic boom, although supposedly their planes will not have that loud noise. But as an airplane name it's very bad, nobody wants to go boom boom

Re: American Airlines agrees to purchase Boom Supersonic Overture aircraft

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Post by solardev »

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #79
replygirl wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

biofuels or synthetics. not sure if they plan to own the fuel supply chain, so "net zero" may come through offsets to cover the impact of producing the fuels

They appear to have signed a deal with YCombinator startup Prometheous Fuels to supply the SAF fuel, with carbon offsets to cover other carbon costs. https://www.prometheusfuels.com/ (very cool website, not sure if thats a good or a bad thing)

> (very cool website, not sure if thats a good or a bad thing)

Maybe I'm just old-school, but this was sooooo annoying. It'd be a cool intro to a Telltale game or something, but having it take over all the navigation (scrolling barely works, getting to the point takes forever) to tell its fancy 3d story was just a waste of my time, IMO. I want to know how their fuels work, not that they can hire someone to make a 3D game intro inside their browser. Just unnecessary shiny that gets in the way of usability :(

Re: American Airlines agrees to purchase Boom Supersonic Overture aircraft

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Post by bobthepanda »

petesergeant wrote: post #62
JCM9 wrote: post #11

Strong FOMO settling in. Premium transatlantic routes routes like NYC-LHR are super important to the bottom line of the big legacy carriers. If one airline has supersonic and others don’t that could be a huge blow to the others. Of course things didn’t work out that way with Concorde, which was not commercially successful and more of a spectacle than something founded in business fundamentals. But if Boom can make su…

> If one airline has supersonic and others don’t that could be a huge blow to the others I think it's going to come down to exactly how fast or slow this is, the price, and what the hard-product (eg the seats) are like. A modern First Class is a very, very comfortable way to travel, and other than the novelty value, I'd certainly rather spend 8 hours in lie-flat that 5 hours in a recliner. That'll also depend on the…

Modern International First is going the way of the dodo on many routes, because business is now more comfortable than first was in the past.

Knowing this, Boom is allegedly targeting an equivalent cost per mile to a standard business class seat.

Re: American Airlines agrees to purchase Boom Supersonic Overture aircraft

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Post by replygirl »

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #79
replygirl wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

biofuels or synthetics. not sure if they plan to own the fuel supply chain, so "net zero" may come through offsets to cover the impact of producing the fuels

They appear to have signed a deal with YCombinator startup Prometheous Fuels to supply the SAF fuel, with carbon offsets to cover other carbon costs. https://www.prometheusfuels.com/ (very cool website, not sure if thats a good or a bad thing)

carbon capture to fuels is pretty cool! wonder how much of the capture will run off gas or battery :|

Re: American Airlines agrees to purchase Boom Supersonic Overture aircraft

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

exyi wrote: post #105
ZeroGravitas wrote: post #66

I wonder if a transatlantic hop on this, with electric flight on either end can work to replace direct transatlantic flights while being faster and greener? Probably all depends on the switchovers.

This will be hardly greener than taking a regular aircraft.

It depends really. About half the GHG impact of flights is non carbon.

Is this better or worse on that account? I have no idea. But it potentially could be substantially different either way.

Re: American Airlines agrees to purchase Boom Supersonic Overture aircraft

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Post by gsnedders »

qazxcvbnmlp wrote: post #110
petesergeant wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> American would swap this in for a plane which is using an existing takeoff/landing slot Have to be charging a great deal to the small number of passengers for it to be worth swapping in to a fully loaded 777 spot

Move all the first pax to the boom aircraft and do all economy/premium economy in the 777 and you’d come out even in the number of seat miles available. You could also upgrade a couple of the 777-200 or 787 routes to a 777-300 to get more seat miles to offset those lost to loosing a slot to a smaller aircraft.

> Move all the first pax to the boom aircraft and do all economy/premium economy in the 777 and you’d come out even in the number of seat miles available.

That's still two aircraft instead of one, which means acquiring another slot.

Re: American Airlines agrees to purchase Boom Supersonic Overture aircraft

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Post by bobthepanda »

hef19898 wrote: post #90
skellera wrote: post #64

If Boom is able to come out with a new supersonic aircraft, is it possible for a startup to compete with Boeing or Airbus in subsonic aircraft? Either coming up with a new design or another innovation that can compete. Or, are those companies pretty much set with impassable moats?

Unless Boeing or Airbus screw up financially, which is almost impossible, the duopoly is set in stone. It will take massive government backing to change that, Airbus itself is proof of that. The only parties that do challenge the big two on single aile jets are Bombardier and Embraer, one of which was bought by Airbus and one which was almost bought by Boeing.

Right.

At this point a new aircraft program is easily $15B+ of development. That kind of money is hard to come by for a new aviation company.

China, Russia, and Japan have all tried breaking into the market as well without much success.

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