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That's quite the propaganda piece.
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White americans do this too. Think ozarks. I know plenty of ridiculously smart people from this region, who if they talked about the food they ate or didn't work hard to extinguish their accents would probably not have jobs w/ coastal tech companies.
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Are you trying to imply that discrimination against rural/southern people is ok because they have unacceptable political views? I don't know how else to read your reply. If so, you've done a great job of illustrating GP's point.
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This is a great example of the kind of hyper-reactivity that makes conversation on most of the internet absolutely impossible. The parent said they didn't see this in the article, don't imagine they'd gain from it, and asked for more info about it - all totally reasonable thoughts and expressed without negativity. And yet you responded with snide superiority, as though your dialogue with this person was already an ar…
I get where you're coming from, but you have to consider these comments in context. The article we're commenting on has an entire section (3 paragraphs!) on this specific Google issue, and it was a very widely discussed news story here at the time that it happened. When smcl took issue with mcv claiming that Google was "taking steps backwards", they were implicitly ignoring or disagreeing with the section of the article that outlined how Google was in fact taking steps backwards on the issue. Indeed, if you look at the follow-up response here, smcl very clearly read the section of the article about Google, and just disagrees with the idea that internal harassment and backlash against Dalit activism leading to a planned DEI talk getting canceled constitutes "taking steps backwards", basically on what seems to be trivial semantic grounds (see the follow-up posts by smcl, which basically boil down to either "how can they take steps backwards if they're already bad" or "they're not doing any ACTUAL discrimination, they just had the CEO cancel a planned talk based on complaints from higher caste people"). The argument was already started well before pessimizer did anything, it was just framed implicitly instead of explicitly.
Probably they could have responded more charitably here, sure, but frankly I don't think it's correct to categorize "please Google this and actually read the facts about the case before arguing with someone on the internet about it" as "hyper-reactivity". Sometimes people on the internet (occasionally myself included!) really do just look before they leap.
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Wow that is batshit. This article made me read up more in castes and. . . Wtf?
I mean the US had a system like this 60 years ago. South Africa 30. Indian caste system is more a quantitive outlier (I.e the number of castes/classes is the outlier) rather than a qualitative change.
Arguably, the US still has a system like this. Redlining didn't end until what, 1980ish?
Getting rid of the explicit, codified practices of discrimination doesn't remove the discrimination itself. And until we've paid back the damages to the families injured by practices like redlining, we've inflicted financial and social wounds across generations of people descended from those we harmed.
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Having done many interviews around silicon valley, the demographics of companies definitely seem very ... themed. Not necessarily monochromatic for a particular ethnic group, but a small set of ethic groups usually overwhelmingly represented. And at that, this wasn't a thing that seemed particularly biased towards one theme.
Brazilians. I know of one group of ~4 that basically follows the leader (a Director / CXO type) to every position. Whenever he moves, they all inevitable end up at the same exact company within 1-3 months. It's actually impressive how consistent their resumes are going back a decade or so.
That is something that always happens, regardless of nation, race or religion.
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>Edit: as if to prove my point about racism, in this very thread there is already a comment talking about Indian nepotism. I was wondering if you could clarify this. Why is the caste system fair game to criticize but nepotism isn't?
I didn't say either was fair game to criticize. Criticism of both tends to provide cover to or be motivated by racism. Especially when there isn't equal emphasis on WASP or Jewish nepotism, when most early tech companies tended to have mostly WASP or Jewish leadership.
Diversity of background in most VC funded companies tends to be quite high?
I have never seen a team lead by a WASP or Jewish manager that has hired exclusively WASP or Jewish team members in any FAANG company. I have however seen teams that are exclusively Indian, even in diverse cities. At some point it comes down to network for early stage companies. But why is this true in FAANG companies where hiring pipelines are robust?
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This is a great example of the kind of hyper-reactivity that makes conversation on most of the internet absolutely impossible. The parent said they didn't see this in the article, don't imagine they'd gain from it, and asked for more info about it - all totally reasonable thoughts and expressed without negativity. And yet you responded with snide superiority, as though your dialogue with this person was already an ar…
Is anyone working on ML to determine possible avenues of response and debate given a prompt?
I would love to see some social networks silently implementing something that rewrites comments in a more diplomatic manner when displayed to everyone else.
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#230Out of curiosity, for Indians working in America, how hard is it to hide your caste or pretend to be of another caste altogether? Is this something that comes up in conversation among Indians? Do names tend to correlate to you caste? And if so, do people change them as a way of hiding their family caste?
Interestingly, I grew up in India but have no clue what my caste is. I could probably ask my parents and they'd know but it has never come up. Religion and sub ethnicity came up a lot more often while growing up. Funnily enough the only ones who have ever asked me about my caste were white people.
I had always assumed the caste system was a thing of the past but looking at how it's still present even at companies in other countries, I imagine I just grew up in a bubble.