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Apple becomes first tech giant to explicitly ban caste discrimination

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Re: Apple becomes first tech giant to explicitly ban caste discrimination

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"Conservative" doesn't mean "racist." There are racists of all political and social backgrounds. Some of the most racist people I've met have been very "liberal."

Where have I implied that "conservative" means "racist"? If they meant the same to me I could have just written "conservative" instead of specifying "racist"

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Re: Apple becomes first tech giant to explicitly ban caste discrimination

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More like desperate H1Bs that are afraid to shake the boat because one wrong move and they are out of the country. We shouldn't celebrate slave mentality.

Again, I pre-empted these types of debates by saying we can split hairs on why this is. I am not denying this is the case for some, but also it's not the entire picture. I know plenty non-H1Bs that fit this bill, and there have been plenty of articles written on the rise of the Indian-American worker, especially in the tech sector https://www.southasiamonitor.org/spotlight/unprecedented-ris... , use your favorite sea…

These scenarios are the case for many Indian people and others working in the US. It's not an edge case. There are no hairs to split when immigration and citizenship status are integral to why people might act the way they do...

Re: Apple becomes first tech giant to explicitly ban caste discrimination

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looks the other way when Indian director has all Indian SDMs reporting to him It’s all lip service. Nepotism is rampant at FAANG

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I agree most are hard working and no complaints, but that isn't necessarily the best quality. I so often have to speak up against BS because my 90+% Indian team is too passive. I'm also an immigrant, so same work authorization concern.

Re: Apple becomes first tech giant to explicitly ban caste discrimination

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I have mixed feelings on this. There are of course things that aren't explicitly prohibited by workplace policies but are no doubt unacceptable - e.g. discriminating against left-handed employees. But it's still useful to have explicit policies against caste discrimination to make clear that it's unacceptable. On the other hand, as an Indian in a top tech company we're more likely to experience racism than casteism (…

Are you in a caste that's likely to experience discrimination? Or is this widely accepted among people who'd be vulnerable to caste discrimination?

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> we're more likely to experience racism than casteism (though both are relatively rare) I have seen zero evidence for this. The relative or absolute frequency claims. > this policy is likely to increase racism and result in Indians (and other South Asians) getting singled-out and scrutinized for casteism Strongly disagree. I have Indian heritage. I have no problem with such policy, and am increasingly convinced—in p…

If I lived in India I'd be OBC. No Indian coworker (some of whom have had Brahmin last names) has ever asked my caste (white people have on occasion, but only out of harmless curiosity), or showed any signs of discriminating against me over it. I have encountered occasional racism in my career on the other hand. Nobody I know in real life has any experiences of casteism in top tech companies to report, but some do re…

> Nobody I know in real life has any experiences of casteism

But there are people claiming discrimination based on caste. It’s the matter of an ongoing landmark lawsuit [1].

Personal experience is a bad filter because it’s shaped by the same factors we’re measuring. I haven’t experienced real racism because I’ve consistently been in environments removed from racists. I recognise, however, that other environments exist.

[1] https://hulr.org/spring-2021/caste-in-cisco-understanding-ca...

Re: Apple becomes first tech giant to explicitly ban caste discrimination

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It says in the article that Google (and Microsoft, Dell, Amazon + FB/Meta) aren't (yet?) implementing this, but I didn't see anything about them doing the opposite . Additionally I don't imagine they'd gain much from doing so, as a business. Is there any more info on this?

Wouldn't lose much either. I'd argue they'd gain face in today's climate. "DEI best practices aren't just for white people anymore" is probably a good look.

Ironically it tends to be high caste Indians who push this stuff (perhaps because of higher education levels). Maybe they’ll be circumspect about dishing it out to white people after some sessions having to confess their “Brahmin privilege.”
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