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Apple becomes first tech giant to explicitly ban caste discrimination

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Re: Apple becomes first tech giant to explicitly ban caste discrimination

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looks the other way when Indian director has all Indian SDMs reporting to him It’s all lip service. Nepotism is rampant at FAANG

At a large semiconductor company, the same could be said for many groups: Chinese hiring other Chinese, one group hiring native Americans mostly, others with Hispanic origin…

Human tribalism is, unfortunately, present everywhere. Every country and every company.

Re: Apple becomes first tech giant to explicitly ban caste discrimination

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looks the other way when Indian director has all Indian SDMs reporting to him It’s all lip service. Nepotism is rampant at FAANG

At a large semiconductor company, the same could be said for many groups: Chinese hiring other Chinese, one group hiring native Americans mostly, others with Hispanic origin…

A Native American group? I mean damn, that’s gotta be so rare I’d almost support it.

Or did you mean an American company hiring Americans? That’d be pretty rare too.

Re: Apple becomes first tech giant to explicitly ban caste discrimination

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I have mixed feelings on this. There are of course things that aren't explicitly prohibited by workplace policies but are no doubt unacceptable - e.g. discriminating against left-handed employees. But it's still useful to have explicit policies against caste discrimination to make clear that it's unacceptable. On the other hand, as an Indian in a top tech company we're more likely to experience racism than casteism (…

> we're more likely to experience racism than casteism (though both are relatively rare) I have seen zero evidence for this. The relative or absolute frequency claims. > this policy is likely to increase racism and result in Indians (and other South Asians) getting singled-out and scrutinized for casteism Strongly disagree. I have Indian heritage. I have no problem with such policy, and am increasingly convinced—in p…

If I lived in India I'd be OBC. No Indian coworker (some of whom have had Brahmin last names) has ever asked my caste (white people have on occasion, but only out of harmless curiosity), or showed any signs of discriminating against me over it. I have encountered occasional racism in my career on the other hand. Nobody I know in real life has any experiences of casteism in top tech companies to report, but some do report experiences of racism.

Re: Apple becomes first tech giant to explicitly ban caste discrimination

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I work predominately with Indian coworkers. You are exactly correct in my view. Racism has technically been banned in the United States wholesale since the Civil Rights act, yet we struggle with the effects still today. This is a step in a right direction, but it should be seen as only as the beginning.

Casteism, while bad, is not racism. Saying casteism is ingrained in Indians on the other hand is racism.

The Caste system is as old as India itself, from ancient India: the varna, and the joti. The Indian Government itself recognizes how deep it goes, and based their Affirmative Action program upon it. To say it's not ingrained is simply choosing to ignore the problem is there. It's not saying "all Indians are casteist" but recognizing, much like the American South pre-Jim Crow, it was ingrained in society.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reservation_in_India

Re: Apple becomes first tech giant to explicitly ban caste discrimination

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looks the other way when Indian director has all Indian SDMs reporting to him It’s all lip service. Nepotism is rampant at FAANG

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Dude I’ve watched this show go on for a decade. Been at two faangs, it’s the same story over and over

Re: Apple becomes first tech giant to explicitly ban caste discrimination

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I work predominately with Indian coworkers. You are exactly correct in my view. Racism has technically been banned in the United States wholesale since the Civil Rights act, yet we struggle with the effects still today. This is a step in a right direction, but it should be seen as only as the beginning.

Casteism, while bad, is not racism. Saying casteism is ingrained in Indians on the other hand is racism.

> Casteism, while bad, is not racism

Open to this argument. But every definition of race I’ve seen constructed to exclude caste seems contrived. The system has imprinted itself as far down as hair shaft diameter [1].

> Saying casteism is ingrained in Indians on the other hand is racism

Sympathetic to this. It’s like saying all white people are racist. It’s ingrained in the Indian culture, and I think anyone coming from India should be sensitive to the issue, but e.g. their kids born and raised here are obviously less susceptible. (This is true of all immigrants and their biases, though.)

[1] https://www.jstor.org/stable/29542824

Re: Apple becomes first tech giant to explicitly ban caste discrimination

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I have mixed feelings on this. There are of course things that aren't explicitly prohibited by workplace policies but are no doubt unacceptable - e.g. discriminating against left-handed employees. But it's still useful to have explicit policies against caste discrimination to make clear that it's unacceptable. On the other hand, as an Indian in a top tech company we're more likely to experience racism than casteism (…

>Edit: as if to prove my point about racism, in this very thread there is already a comment talking about Indian nepotism. I was wondering if you could clarify this. Why is the caste system fair game to criticize but nepotism isn't?

I didn't say either was fair game to criticize. Criticism of both tends to provide cover to or be motivated by racism. Especially when there isn't equal emphasis on WASP or Jewish nepotism, when most early tech companies tended to have mostly WASP or Jewish leadership.

Re: Apple becomes first tech giant to explicitly ban caste discrimination

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looks the other way when Indian director has all Indian SDMs reporting to him It’s all lip service. Nepotism is rampant at FAANG

At a large semiconductor company, the same could be said for many groups: Chinese hiring other Chinese, one group hiring native Americans mostly, others with Hispanic origin…

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Re: Apple becomes first tech giant to explicitly ban caste discrimination

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looks the other way when Indian director has all Indian SDMs reporting to him It’s all lip service. Nepotism is rampant at FAANG

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More like desperate H1Bs that are afraid to shake the boat because one wrong move and they are out of the country. We shouldn't celebrate slave mentality.
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