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Re: Milwaukee Tool Raises the Bar with New USA Factory

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Who actually wanted / needed cheap tools ? Cheap tools were pushed on the majority of people.

People who need to DIY something but might only need to use the tool a few times. Or people who bought decent brand for key tools and then went budget to add a couple of extra pieces they couldn't otherwise justify. How are cheaper tools pushed on people? There's a broad range at the hardware store and generally staff will encourage you to purchase premium brands.

At least my experience was, about 15-20 years back. All my local hardware stores were destroyed by bigger conglomerate stores.

They came into many towns, built huge stores, pushed cheaper products which crushed the competition (who sold good tools) then pushed cheap junk on most people which just ends up in landfill.

These stores didn't just sell tools, they helped DIY people know which tools to buy.

That is how.

Re: Milwaukee Tool Raises the Bar with New USA Factory

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> Why does the CEO get paid 10-100x more than the lowest paid worker despite working the same number of hours a day? Honestly I wouldn’t want to work at a company (of any size) where the CEO was only worth 10x what the lowest paid janitor makes.

Why?

If you assume the lowest paid employees are going to be close to minimum wage, and you cap the CEO at 10x that, that's not a hell of a lot of ceiling.

Re: Milwaukee Tool Raises the Bar with New USA Factory

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Um, TSMC sources many parts which are made exclusively in America. The machines TSMC uses for all of its highest end semiconductor work come from a company called ASML which whilst being a Dutch company sources many of its most sophisticated parts from the U.S. and Europe. But before we bother to argue about what is and is not a knowledge economy, humor me this one possibility. Perhaps there is no such thing as a "kn…

> admit that the only answer to making sure an equitable portion of wealth made its way into everyone's pockets This is the key difference between the two ideologies. One side believes equity should be distributed equally regardless of achievement, the other believes equity distribution is directly correlated to productive measures of success. "From those with the greatest ability, to those with the greatest need."

> One side believes equity should be distributed equally regardless of achievement

I'm not sure this is true. I think a lot of people including economics professors like to consider themselves fairly humanistic. And I think the idea of a mass of people permanently living near or below poverty bothers them.

And I think they take it somewhat for granted that their favorite economic theory has in our recent past effectively provided a middle class standard of living for many people. But when we start talking about dismantling the mechanisms which have created the large middle class and how it could decrease quality of life and increase poverty, they don't offer an honest assessment based on the fundamentals of their theory. That would be to say, "well yes such changes may induce pverty here."

Instead there is kind of a shrug. We'll become a service economy, nevermind making a comparison of the quality of the new service jobs against those being transplanted.

Or we'll become a knowledge economy, the great brain of global capital. Again never really contending with the question of whether that is even possible.

This allows them in my opinion to advocate politicies which harm people whilst shrugging off any guilt because instinctively they know to willfully empoverish people is wrong. It is this dishonesty that bothers me.

My gripe is not with those advocating against redistribution. Though my personal politics are for a mass ownership of property in some regard. My gripe is with people who have setup what might be a fiction (maybe it could be real too) as the answer to making choices which create suffering. And then for that image to have become a dogma we all expected to accept without questioning its basis in reality.

I'm willing to accept that I could be wrong. But I come from a working class background. I've known a lot of working class people over the years and the idea that most or even many of them are going to pivot into IT or what have you is just nonsense. The vast majority have pivoted into low paid service work without much social insurance of any kind.

Re: Milwaukee Tool Raises the Bar with New USA Factory

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but why is it then so many BMW have issues? I have to go to my Benz dealership quite frequently too. Toyota/Lexus - zero issues.

Because BMW and Mercedes are pushing the envelope in technology. Lexus and Toyota stick with old technology. It makes their cars less pleasant to use - older infotainment, worse performance - but they are more reliable. Different values.

that makes no sense, most of the issues were with the engine. Toyota/Lexus: zero issues

Re: Milwaukee Tool Raises the Bar with New USA Factory

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I noticed at the most recent Milwaukee power tools event that they’re really going all in on specialist tools. This is a strong signal that they’re going to continue to cream the competition because irrational or not, people end up preferring a single battery platform, it’s not guaranteed they’ll stick to one brand for future power tool purchases but it’s extremely sticky. The Milwaukee battery power tool ecosystem s…

7 years ago when I moved into my new house, I ended up getting the Porter Cable kit. Previously I had gotten DeWalt and felt like I had under utilized them. So I stepped down to the P-C. And honestly I've been super happy with them, despite having used them much more than I expected (DIYing a lot, in to the studs bathroom remodel now). One nice thing about them is I was able to get some refurb drills off ebay for $20 each, nice to have a couple spares, chuck up two bits or the like. I did destroy one clutch by mixing mortar though.

Fairly limited tool selection though. I think I have almost all of them, maybe a dozen.

I'm thinking of starting to switch to a new brand, just to get more tool selection. I love the Milwaukee, but I'm not sure I can justify the price for DIY use.

So I'm thinking about the Ryobi One+. Lots of tools there...

Re: Milwaukee Tool Raises the Bar with New USA Factory

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Because BMW and Mercedes are pushing the envelope in technology. Lexus and Toyota stick with old technology. It makes their cars less pleasant to use - older infotainment, worse performance - but they are more reliable. Different values.

that makes no sense, most of the issues were with the engine. Toyota/Lexus: zero issues

The engine is exactly what I’m referring to

Re: Milwaukee Tool Raises the Bar with New USA Factory

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That really make me distrust those companies. If you build something good, make it under your name and only your name. Branding/rebranding/renaming smell like marketing gimmick and mean you are focused more on marketing trick than engineering. They could have a Pro/home line of product for different segments and still keep honoring the brand.

I...do not understand this take. Those names are their differentiating marks because most of them (not all, and TTI is more aggressive about this than most but their mark licensing is very long term) have existed forever and been aggregated together through different acquisitions. SBD didn't invent DeWalt, they bought a company called DeWalt and expanded them to more tools.

What I mean is that corporation routinely operate on many different branding to segment the market, they might use the same parts or intentionally produce a lower quality product to not disrupt their higher margin, higher quality line.

I see so much effort spend on that kind of marketing (lying) and so little spend on improving the product, reducing the cost, increasing longevity, etc.

It’s everywhere, oven, fridge, tools, cars, etc.

At some point the confidence in the brand crumble and we just buy the cheapest chinese thing with a funny name.

IE: brand used to mean something

Re: Milwaukee Tool Raises the Bar with New USA Factory

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I noticed at the most recent Milwaukee power tools event that they’re really going all in on specialist tools. This is a strong signal that they’re going to continue to cream the competition because irrational or not, people end up preferring a single battery platform, it’s not guaranteed they’ll stick to one brand for future power tool purchases but it’s extremely sticky. The Milwaukee battery power tool ecosystem s…

Why is it irrational to prefer a single battery platform? I try to keep all my tools Milwaukee because I know I have batteries for them, the tool-only package is cheaper, and I don't have to find the right charger.

I got a few tools that I needed before there was a Milwaukee version and now I'm slowly swapping them for the Milwaukee version. The latest was a Metabo pin nailer. The Metabo one is slow (it needs to build up some compression when you try to fire the nail), it breaks the nail strips, it jams about every 30th nail requiring disassembly, and the anti-dry fire mechanism kicks in with ~15 nails left. The Milwaukee version is better in almost every single way (the only exception is that Metabo's safety ensures the tip is pressed against something; Milwaukee has a dual trigger safety).

Re: Milwaukee Tool Raises the Bar with New USA Factory

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Non-American here: Made in USA isn’t a marker for quality any longer. In fact, it’s quite the opposite. These days, I make an effort to not buy American products. I wish that was different, but rarely have I seen this mix of carelessness and poor quality control without any attention to detail.

Anecdote time. I was in Munich during the winter and had forgotten gloves. I was at an upscale hotel and everything there was paid for by work, so I got a pair of knitted gloves from their in-hotel store. The clerk made a point to tell me they were imported and of the highest quality.

The tag said "Made in Upstate New York"

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