Other than that, I'm afraid I'm not of much help as I'm in a kind-of similar situation myself. Might be worth looking at what else is out there, not just related to dev but literally anything, even if it does mean less pay.
Ask HN: Depressed, need to leave web development, what can I do?
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> Do you think you might have let your own skill set stagnate? yes, definitely. although i worked a lot with node and react, building electron apps, cli tools, browsers extensions - but i just don't enjoy it anymore. and i don't have experience building large scale production apps with the latest trendy stacks. > The fact you think 300+ people are applying to the same jobs means the market might be saturated with tho…
FYI if you're a contractor for a FAANG you're a probably better than average dev. Regarding typescript, I've been writing JS on and off since '99 and I picked up TS last year. It's actually good. Not everything new is shit, just most of it! "Coding challenge as a first-stage filter" is something I'd like to see disappear, why would I want to work for a company that shows so little respect for people's time? I guess t…
I generally skip those companies on principle. For better or worse...
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>By taking more responsibilities and delivering beyound your pay scale. Is that a healthy advice for someone struggling with Burnout/depression like OP? And I beg to differ. Taking on lots of work is by no means a guarantee to management promotion everywhere. Often management positions go by means of connections, and are awarded subjectively to the favorable people management likes most, not to the most productive pe…
> Is that a healthy advice for someone struggling with Burnout/depression like OP? Yeah, depression/burnout is not real. It's just how a person decides to deal with high levels of stress. Stress will not go away. Better deal with it by pushing through it either by working more, going on vacations, sex trips, donations to charity causes, etc. In the industry I am in - I didn't know anyone, before I started, hell, I ev…
I should have stopped reading your comment here.
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#154Move in to management. The reason tech sucks is mainly due to non technical managers who think writing code is the same as laying bricks, constantly breathing on developer necks and nagging about progress. The world needs more tech experienced managers to replace the supervisor types that barely understand the words they use.
I have gone in that direction a couple weeks ago and so far I hate it. I have to constantly fight unrealistic expectations vs. what's actually possible. Both sides are angry (developers because of unclear requirements, management because of slow progress). I'm frustrated because I'm in the middle of this bullshit, I constantly have to pacify both sides. Also, I've come to realise that while I enjoy developing product…
Eventually i went into contracting, precisely so that i can “solo developing something”.
I would be happy making a nice little piece of app (currently working on a game), that i can prune here and there and grow a community of users that i can genuinely make happy, and get paid for it. I simply _love_ seeing happy users.
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#155If you are depressed then see a psychiatrist. I would seek help before making any career moves under this cloud. I'm an average software engineer with nothing impressive on the resume. Persistence pays off.
> If you are depressed then see a psychiatrist. I'm not sure I'd agree with this advice. If the mental problems OP has originate from his circumstances, a psychiatrist is unlikely to be able to help him. But psychiatrists are usually in no hurry to admit that, so the experience is usually even more frustrating and demeaning than skipping the whole shebang. Yes I am speaking from experience.
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Also good to increase time to market and make you think more about types, less about business logic. It has both pros and cons depending on what you are doing. I have learned and can read and write typescript, but it doesn’t click when it comes to “we’ll need it tomorrow to check our ideas fast”, the usual mode of startup operation. These stories about night and day difference also do not match my reality. All my cod…
> Also good to increase time to market and make you think more about types, less about business logic. Show me some actual measurements that TypeScript increases time to market. I don't believe you have any.
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#1571. Try to take 6m to a year off 2. Think of way to leverage your skillset to your advantage in a non 9-5 capacity 3. If its still repulsive, go on indeed and just start browsing with very little criteria to see what interests you and just start applying, you would be surprised how advantageous being a tech worker can be in other seemingly non-related industries. I know a guy who use to be a nurse, he is now a charter…
I really hate the advice "Take six months to a year off" Not everyone is in such a financially advantageous situation that they are able to do so at a minimum we should preface such advice with "Ideally" or "If you are able to" In fact, when I've faced burn out in the past, one of the major reasons for it was BECAUSE I wasn't in a situation to take such time off and my gosh do I wish it was advice I was able to actio…
Plenty of 'Help Wanted' signs are up looking for people with few skills or intelligent people who can learn a skill quickly. It might be much more labor intensive than your current job, but that might be exactly what you need as a change of pace.
Few, if any of those jobs pay as well as programming, but millions of people earn a living wage doing them every day. If you don't have some good savings, then you might have to give up some luxuries that you have gotten used to, but that isn't the end of the world either.
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#158Earlier quoted context omitted.
> If you are depressed then see a psychiatrist. I'm not sure I'd agree with this advice. If the mental problems OP has originate from his circumstances, a psychiatrist is unlikely to be able to help him. But psychiatrists are usually in no hurry to admit that, so the experience is usually even more frustrating and demeaning than skipping the whole shebang. Yes I am speaking from experience.
If you are having mental issues how can you be certain that you are in the right state of mind to make such a determination?
After all I could make up some arbitrary argument like: "How can you be sure wearing a traffic cone on your head doesn't help? Have you tried it?"
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> Is that a healthy advice for someone struggling with Burnout/depression like OP? Yeah, depression/burnout is not real. It's just how a person decides to deal with high levels of stress. Stress will not go away. Better deal with it by pushing through it either by working more, going on vacations, sex trips, donations to charity causes, etc. In the industry I am in - I didn't know anyone, before I started, hell, I ev…
>Yeah, depression/burnout is not real I should have stopped reading your comment here.
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Why not leverage what you know and build web-based products/services?
> Why not leverage what you know and build web-based products/services? Because it's really difficult. I find I can keep a big-picture, this is what the customer wants mindset, or I can have a detail-oriented this is the code that I want to improve mindset, but having both and/or switching between them is amazingly difficult. As I write the code I lose sight of what 'normal' people (non-programmers) want. I don't eve…
What I have trouble with is marketing and sales. I've never sold anything directly to consumers, so that will be the most challenging thing when going independent: selling to people.
Let's say I sell the product for $50, I would have to sell to 2000 people in one year to make $100k, which means I have to sell to at least 6 people per day. Now it would be great if people just found the product and bought it on their own, but at least the first 1000 costumers must be acquired "manually" so to speak for the business to even take off.