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The relationship between Readability and Instapaper

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Re: The relationship between Readability and Instapaper

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post #9

The reason I don't develop my ViewText any further is that the barrier to entry for this is just to low. Marco already has an excellent app, now reability will enter his market, along with Apple. Here's an example: http://viewtext.org/article?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.marco.org%2...

Sorry for derailing - is the text of the bookmarklet available somewhere so I can edit it into an iPhone bookmark?

Re: The relationship between Readability and Instapaper

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it doesn't. http://www.marco.org/2011/07/19/siracusa-multipage

so it does. holy shit. i wonder how many articles I've only read a piece of because I thought Instapaper was stitching!

Exactly. It is a problem - I respect that Marco doesn't want to stich articles together, but I sometimes reach the end of an article to find myself unsure as to whether that really was the end, or just the end of page one. Would be useful to get some indication in Instapaper when this is the case. I am flirting with Readability for this reason.

Re: The relationship between Readability and Instapaper

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I'm totally confused by the apparent consensus sentiment going around on this. I adore Instapaper. I think it's unbelievably well done, I use it, and I don't have plans to look elsewhere.. that said, I can't say I worry or get sad about people who develop competing products. Seriously? It's ridiculous to react that way. First of all, I find it patronizing. Marco's really fucking good at what he does. If it turns out…

I didn't down vote you and I do agree with most of what you've said regarding competition (I suspect the rest of HN also agrees).

What you didn't address though is Marco's past relationship with the founders. Specifically he says that he advised the founders, promoted Readability on his website and even created a white-labeled Instapaper version of Readability. Now they've created a direct competitor to Marco's app. This is generating the sentiment.

Re: The relationship between Readability and Instapaper

#34
post #15

They are certainly a direct competitor to Instapaper now. But it didn’t catch me by surprise, and I hope to still remain friendly with them. This is a very big and increasingly crowded market, and there’s no reason why we can’t respectfully share it. Those are inspiring words, which I will keep in mind. It is a very healthy approach toward competition and competitors, and I would rather adapt this one instead of "we…

well, I might be cynical, but do your really thinks he's 100% honest when saying that?

Re: The relationship between Readability and Instapaper

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post #29
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So I looked into all of these some time ago for an app that I use myself. The Safari fork of Readability is the best client implementation, while the best server-side implementation (by a mile) is Diffbot. Out of the 50 sources I had (regular RSS updates, etc.) InstaPaper failed on far too many, either stripping important content or pictures and captions. Readability was only a bit better I glued together an app that…

Readability's code is a little bit old (2009), but seems no other better (opensource) alternatives... And thanks for suggesting Diffbot, will try later.

C implementation and Python bindings, opensourced one hour ago https://github.com/fiam/readable

Re: The relationship between Readability and Instapaper

#36
post #9

The reason I don't develop my ViewText any further is that the barrier to entry for this is just to low. Marco already has an excellent app, now reability will enter his market, along with Apple. Here's an example: http://viewtext.org/article?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.marco.org%2...

I'm using Viewtext mainly to get the full posts from RSS-feeds into my reader, and it is excellent for that! It does not work on all the feeds I want to follow, but the majority is covered.

Maybe this is something you could focus more on if you feel that the Instapaper/readability-functionality is already too crowded?

Re: The relationship between Readability and Instapaper

#37
post #9

The reason I don't develop my ViewText any further is that the barrier to entry for this is just to low. Marco already has an excellent app, now reability will enter his market, along with Apple. Here's an example: http://viewtext.org/article?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.marco.org%2...

Wow, I never new the creator of ViewText was on HN! You have NO IDEA how much your site has helped me, particularly on my crappy BlackBerry browser.

Thank you.

Re: The relationship between Readability and Instapaper

#38
post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

so it does. holy shit. i wonder how many articles I've only read a piece of because I thought Instapaper was stitching!

Exactly. It is a problem - I respect that Marco doesn't want to stich articles together, but I sometimes reach the end of an article to find myself unsure as to whether that really was the end, or just the end of page one. Would be useful to get some indication in Instapaper when this is the case. I am flirting with Readability for this reason.

One Chrome (and Safari) extension that I found helps is called Page One [https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/pojkjlgamiogkhagab...]. It will automatically redirect your browser to the single-page/print view for a number of popular sites (21 as of today).

Re: The relationship between Readability and Instapaper

#39

>In February of this year, the app was finished and ready to launch, but it was rejected by Apple for the in-app-purchase subscription-matching rule, which had just gone into effect. Readability decided that they didn’t want to give Apple the 30%, so the app was put on hold and soon cancelled once it was obvious that nobody was budging. Readability didn't decide they didn't want to give 30%, they just couldn't becaus…

I was firmly on Readability's side on that, but don't lose site of the fact that Readability set their own business model. They're willing to cut their take to 0% now, they just weren't willing to do it then. The difference being before content creators would have gotten 70%. Now they get 0. (For the general, publicized case).

Back in February they could have easily revised their own plan, to take 70% of net rather than gross, say.

Re: The relationship between Readability and Instapaper

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post #30
post #9

The reason I don't develop my ViewText any further is that the barrier to entry for this is just to low. Marco already has an excellent app, now reability will enter his market, along with Apple. Here's an example: http://viewtext.org/article?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.marco.org%2...

Slightly off-topic: Thanks for ViewText. Seriously. The barrier to entry may be low, but you are the one who developed it. It works flawlessly, it's fast, it's a delight to use on a mobile device and on the iPad, it doesn't attempt to distract me with ads or premium offers and it's free. If you don't me asking, how much does it cost to run ViewText?

Thank you. It's about $60 a month to host all my sites. Including http://ihackernews.com and http://ronnie.me
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