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Re: Copyright infringement in AI art

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It seems the more interesting legal question is not regarding input, but whom owns the copyrights of the output, if any. Interesting article: https://www.technollama.co.uk/dall%C2%B7e-goes-commercial-bu... If I interpret that article correctly, at least Dall-e does not claim copyright on the generation nor does it grant it to the person writing the prompt. The copyright question seems entirely unanswered. Perhaps tha…

It's not entirely unanswered.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/us-copyright-offic...

Re: Copyright infringement in AI art

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post #80

It seems the more interesting legal question is not regarding input, but whom owns the copyrights of the output, if any. Interesting article: https://www.technollama.co.uk/dall%C2%B7e-goes-commercial-bu... If I interpret that article correctly, at least Dall-e does not claim copyright on the generation nor does it grant it to the person writing the prompt. The copyright question seems entirely unanswered. Perhaps tha…

It's not entirely unanswered. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/us-copyright-offic...

I wonder if that applies to AI generated code as well.

Re: Copyright infringement in AI art

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post #80

It seems the more interesting legal question is not regarding input, but whom owns the copyrights of the output, if any. Interesting article: https://www.technollama.co.uk/dall%C2%B7e-goes-commercial-bu... If I interpret that article correctly, at least Dall-e does not claim copyright on the generation nor does it grant it to the person writing the prompt. The copyright question seems entirely unanswered. Perhaps tha…

It's not entirely unanswered. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/us-copyright-offic...

Thanks, did not know that. I consider it to be good news.

Re: Copyright infringement in AI art

#85
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I think it makes sense to have a distinction between human and machine learning. • Human memory has natural limits in capacity, accuracy, speed, etc. Even if you wanted to, you just can't launder copyright all of humanity's works in a blink of an eye. Things done by humans are limited to human scale, but automation can elevate things to an industrial scale (it's legal to fart, it's not legal to have an industrial-sca…

These are fair points. I suppose I am more optimistic about all the potential ways this tech could augment or enhance human creativity. Like, isn’t it kind of wild to think that the average person could have access to models that have learned from all art ever made… I’m also encouraged by the fact that some of the best versions of these systems are open source and run on a commercial GPU.

Personally I’m conflicted about this.

It does give broader access to illustrations and artworks, and this is likely just a stepping stone to even better tools. ”Prompt engineering” is becoming a creative skill itself.

OTOH a corporation scraping artworks and making money from producing knock-offs (you can even directly name an author to copy) doesn’t feel fair to me.

Re: Copyright infringement in AI art

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post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These are fair points. I suppose I am more optimistic about all the potential ways this tech could augment or enhance human creativity. Like, isn’t it kind of wild to think that the average person could have access to models that have learned from all art ever made… I’m also encouraged by the fact that some of the best versions of these systems are open source and run on a commercial GPU.

Personally I’m conflicted about this. It does give broader access to illustrations and artworks, and this is likely just a stepping stone to even better tools. ”Prompt engineering” is becoming a creative skill itself. OTOH a corporation scraping artworks and making money from producing knock-offs (you can even directly name an author to copy) doesn’t feel fair to me.

I'm wondering how the best possible model at some given time in the future would not be reliant on the resources of a huge tech corporation like OpenAI and cloud organizations that have the computing power to process massive datasets like CLIP's.

One of the first links provided on the subreddit for Disco Diffusion is a page describing the effects of adding an artist's name to an image prompt. There are hundreds of artists listed on that page. How long will it take until one of those artists notices that ML art associated with their name is getting significant attention and says it makes them unhappy? How many deceased artists on said list that are unable give their opinion would have objected if they were still alive?

I suspect that even if all the arguments about copyright and learning fail to make any difference in the legal system, the original artists will eventually catch on and provide their individual opinions on what they think of the entire concept. Then the issue becomes not one of copyright infringement, but disrespect of someone else's time and labor. It would become a social problem with no technological solution. You can't tell creators what they ought to feel about people generating new art by reducing their name to a weighted keyword to be fed into a corporation's million dollar ML model.

As precedent, some authors don't want people making derivative works from their content, for reasons that might not necessarily have to do with copyright. An example is not wanting NSFW content derived from the same fictional universe. In the case of copyright, sites like fanfiction.net ultimately sided with the authors who didn't want fanworks and banned users from posting them. AO3 was subsequently created in response to fanwork bans.

I'm wondering if a "no AI" clause will become part of many services' terms of service in the future, splitting them along ideological lines instead of legal ones and causing a general air of distrust to arise from the ensuing need to detect which art was not created by humans. It feels like ethical reservations about including artist keywords in prompt engineering would be stronger over on the artists' side (depending on the artist's opinions), and could cause pushback at some point. Whether or not it will make a difference remains to be seen. My guess is it won't really, because it's impossible to ban GPUs or technological progress.

Re: Copyright infringement in AI art

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I think it’s clear that what’s happening is (mostly) legal, but the better question is whether it should continue to be. It will be a bad outcome if a few people profit off of a huge group of people’s labor without their consent and without compensating them, in order to put that large group out of work. Technological advances change the labor market all the time, but it’s absolutely different to exploit your own lab…

Cat’s out of the bag. Stable-diffusion runs on an m1 mac, is competitive with dall-e, and will soon be open source. Midjourney was made independently from dall-e and is arguably better. This is the most revolutionary artistic tool to ever exist and anyone with a few thousand bucks can download a script from github and train it themselves. My advice to creatives is to figure out how to thrive in this new environment because you aren’t going to be able to hold back progress or stop time.

(Don't worry, us programmers will be next. Language models can already generate training data in the form of tests for code-authoring neural nets.)

Re: Copyright infringement in AI art

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I predict a new system arises in which styles themselves are copyrightable and eligible for royalties. Human-sourced styles will become trend, as people seek originality to establish identity in an otherwise indistinguishable world of machine-driven experiences.

I think your idea is prescient. I can imagine a market of proprietary "styles", I suppose in the form of pre-trained networks/datasets, that can generate any number of concrete instances of images, texts, and other media.

This is an interesting line of thinking!

Re: Copyright infringement in AI art

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post #80

It seems the more interesting legal question is not regarding input, but whom owns the copyrights of the output, if any. Interesting article: https://www.technollama.co.uk/dall%C2%B7e-goes-commercial-bu... If I interpret that article correctly, at least Dall-e does not claim copyright on the generation nor does it grant it to the person writing the prompt. The copyright question seems entirely unanswered. Perhaps tha…

It's not entirely unanswered. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/us-copyright-offic...

This just says that the AI can’t own the copyright, just like how Photoshop, the software program, can’t be granted a copyright but a person using Photoshop can.

Re: Copyright infringement in AI art

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> Assuming that the input phase is fine and the datasets used are legitimate, then most infringement lawsuits may end up taking place in the output phase. And it is here that I do not think that there will be substantive reproduction to warrant copyright infringement.

This might be true, but feels like maybe the most practical answer to this whole question is to focus on the inputs and to establish ways for artists to control whether their art is used as input. Don’t let legally questionable content into training, and you automatically prevent getting legally questionable output. Why would we do anything else, really? It’s potentially a large assumption to make that the datasets are currently legitimate under the lens of copyright. Pulling images off the internet just because they’re accessible is not valid, and humans aren’t currently allowed to do that under the law. But it might be comforting to artists and practical for both artists and AI researchers if artists could specify a form of copyright or a license that allows ML training provided that their work is not recognizably reproduced. Certainly datasets like Flickr with Creative Commons search tools allows a wide variety of public use that is entirely legal. What reasons do we have to not establish something similar for machine learning?

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