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Google Titan M: Hey, Google! It's time to redeem your promise.

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Re: Google Titan M: Hey, Google! It's time to redeem your promise.

#11

Post by mjh2539 »

CoastalCoder wrote: post #10

I'm curious if this is a legally binding promise in any major jurisdiction. E.g., can someone on the U.S. sue Google for specific performance to uphold that promise? I'm not talking about suing for monetary compensation, or accepting an out-of-court settlement. I'm talking, full-strength, possibly precedence-setting, fulfillment of that promise in federal court? I would so contribute to a legal fund for that, especia…

Suing for specific performance is mostly a thing of the past; it sometimes happens in regard to real estate transactions. It was quite common in the pre-modern era. Think runaway apprentices, indentured servitude, etc.

Re: Google Titan M: Hey, Google! It's time to redeem your promise.

#12

Post by cptcobalt »

paulgb wrote: post #8

I’m convinced that any project named Titan will fail to ship (or fail immediately after shipping, as in the most famous instance). Apple’s car project was Titan, Facebook’s gmail killer was Project Titan, I think Activision Blizard had a Titan. Google has this, but I don’t even think it’s their first Titan to not ship, I’m blanking on the other. (Edit: Google’s defunct internet drone project was Titan)

oh no, I need to rename the side project repo I made and started committing to this weekend.

(I'm really not kidding. Sadly.)

Re: Google Titan M: Hey, Google! It's time to redeem your promise.

#13

Post by CoastalCoder »

mjh2539 wrote: post #11
CoastalCoder wrote: post #10

I'm curious if this is a legally binding promise in any major jurisdiction. E.g., can someone on the U.S. sue Google for specific performance to uphold that promise? I'm not talking about suing for monetary compensation, or accepting an out-of-court settlement. I'm talking, full-strength, possibly precedence-setting, fulfillment of that promise in federal court? I would so contribute to a legal fund for that, especia…

Suing for specific performance is mostly a thing of the past; it sometimes happens in regard to real estate transactions. It was quite common in the pre-modern era. Think runaway apprentices, indentured servitude, etc.

Is it simply out of fashion, or has the law changed?

IANAL, but my understanding is that specific performance requires:

- a court that's permitted to use specific performance as a remedy, and

- there's no monetary award that makes the plaintiff whole.

If I'm right, then I'd think that this issue with Google meets those criteria.

Re: Google Titan M: Hey, Google! It's time to redeem your promise.

#14

Post by cptcobalt »

CoastalCoder wrote: post #10

I'm curious if this is a legally binding promise in any major jurisdiction. E.g., can someone on the U.S. sue Google for specific performance to uphold that promise? I'm not talking about suing for monetary compensation, or accepting an out-of-court settlement. I'm talking, full-strength, possibly precedence-setting, fulfillment of that promise in federal court? I would so contribute to a legal fund for that, especia…

(IANAL) I wonder if there's a truth in advertising case here. Titan M is a security product, and is not meeting one of its promised security statements:

> With the Pixel 3, we’ve increased our investment in security and put industry-leading hardware features into the device, so you can rest assured that your security and privacy are well protected. In the coming months, the security community will be able to audit Titan through its open-source firmware. In the meantime, you can test out Titan M and all of the smarts Pixel 3 brings, when it goes on sale on Thursday, October 18 in the U.S.

I can see a world where consumers/etc have purchased Pixel 3 specifically for that statement.

https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/topics/truth-advertising

Re: Google Titan M: Hey, Google! It's time to redeem your promise.

#15

Post by zht »

paulgb wrote: post #8

I’m convinced that any project named Titan will fail to ship (or fail immediately after shipping, as in the most famous instance). Apple’s car project was Titan, Facebook’s gmail killer was Project Titan, I think Activision Blizard had a Titan. Google has this, but I don’t even think it’s their first Titan to not ship, I’m blanking on the other. (Edit: Google’s defunct internet drone project was Titan)

Facebook had a titan that definitely shipped

Re: Google Titan M: Hey, Google! It's time to redeem your promise.

#16

Post by paulgb »

zht wrote: post #15
paulgb wrote: post #8

I’m convinced that any project named Titan will fail to ship (or fail immediately after shipping, as in the most famous instance). Apple’s car project was Titan, Facebook’s gmail killer was Project Titan, I think Activision Blizard had a Titan. Google has this, but I don’t even think it’s their first Titan to not ship, I’m blanking on the other. (Edit: Google’s defunct internet drone project was Titan)

Facebook had a titan that definitely shipped

The project shipped, but it did not live up to the “GMail killer” ambition and was shut down after a few years. https://techcrunch.com/2010/11/11/facebook-gmail-titan/

Re: Google Titan M: Hey, Google! It's time to redeem your promise.

#17

Post by vlovich123 »

paulgb wrote: post #8

I’m convinced that any project named Titan will fail to ship (or fail immediately after shipping, as in the most famous instance). Apple’s car project was Titan, Facebook’s gmail killer was Project Titan, I think Activision Blizard had a Titan. Google has this, but I don’t even think it’s their first Titan to not ship, I’m blanking on the other. (Edit: Google’s defunct internet drone project was Titan)

The Titan chip though has been shipping for 3 consecutive phone models though and has not failed. Exception that proves the rule.

Re: Google Titan M: Hey, Google! It's time to redeem your promise.

#19

Post by toast0 »

CoastalCoder wrote: post #13
mjh2539 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Suing for specific performance is mostly a thing of the past; it sometimes happens in regard to real estate transactions. It was quite common in the pre-modern era. Think runaway apprentices, indentured servitude, etc.

Is it simply out of fashion, or has the law changed? IANAL, but my understanding is that specific performance requires: - a court that's permitted to use specific performance as a remedy, and - there's no monetary award that makes the plaintiff whole. If I'm right, then I'd think that this issue with Google meets those criteria.

> - there's no monetary award that makes the plaintiff whole.

> If I'm right, then I'd think that this issue with Google meets those criteria.

Wouldn't returning the purchase money or reversing the purchase of the phone make the plaintiff whole? Perhaps a competitor could complain that the unfulfilled promise was anti-competitive and disrupted their sales, but they could be made whole by money damages.

Re: Google Titan M: Hey, Google! It's time to redeem your promise.

#20

Post by toast0 »

c0d3z3r0 wrote: post #18
joemazerino wrote: post #2

Only viewable signed in..

uhm? just tried with incognito mode and I can view it without signing in.

If you've got expired google login cookies, a lot of google resources will prompt you to reconfirm your account state. Kind of a pain for otherwise public resources.
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