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Re: Ask HN: How to find a small town to relocate for remote work?

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Let me give you the scoop on the Carolina's. I'm a developer living in the upstate of SC. I am an agnostic liberal which makes me a rarity but I was born here so I can go under the radar thanks to my deep melodious southern accent. Pros - Great climate 10 out of 12 months - Friendly people - Lots of outdoor activities - Beautiful beaches (Fripp Island and Kiawah especially) - Low cost housing (altho going up rapidly)…

"friendly people" but also "hateful racist trumpers"? Well which is it?

Why can't it be both?

Re: Ask HN: How to find a small town to relocate for remote work?

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post #344

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People who rob businesses are harmful to society. Fixed that for you.

It is also true that people who rob businesses are harmful to society. That is completely independent of the terrible outcomes caused by private vigilanteism.

vigilanteism implies he hunted him down. the trespasser came to his property.

the guy confronted him and held him there until the authorities arrived.

are you implying people should not protect their livelihood and let trespassers loot even if they could stop them?

why should those property owners who are fully in the right morally and legally do that when the trespassers are flagrantly breaking the law?

Re: Ask HN: How to find a small town to relocate for remote work?

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Lancaster would be a different place without F&M. I've always thought college town meant the college supported most if not all of the local population, something like West Chester, the town would still exist without WCU but it would be just like Downingtown then, nothing super special. I think lancaster would be in a very similar spot.

F&M is not actually among the top employers [0]. Whereas in State College, Penn State is the top employer by a ridiculous margin [1]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancaster,_Pennsylvania#Econom... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_College,_Pennsylvania#Ec...

Put another way: State College has a permanent population of 40,000. Penn State at State College employs 27,000 people (already over half of the population). And during the school year there are 46,000 undergraduates in the main campus. So over 100% of the permanent population are associated with the school during the school year.

In contrast: Lancaster City has ~60,000 population, F&M employs ~1100 [0] and F&M has 2400 students. That accounts for 5% of the population during the school year and [0] https://www.linkedin.com/school/franklin-&-marshall-college/

Re: Ask HN: How to find a small town to relocate for remote work?

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post #340

Let me give you the scoop on the Carolina's. I'm a developer living in the upstate of SC. I am an agnostic liberal which makes me a rarity but I was born here so I can go under the radar thanks to my deep melodious southern accent. Pros - Great climate 10 out of 12 months - Friendly people - Lots of outdoor activities - Beautiful beaches (Fripp Island and Kiawah especially) - Low cost housing (altho going up rapidly)…

"friendly people" but also "hateful racist trumpers"? Well which is it?

> "friendly people" but also "hateful racist trumpers"? Well which is it?

Another native Carolinian chiming in here (from NC, but similar).

These people are friendly if you "pass" as one of them. Be white, wear a trucker cap, don't dress up too fancy, use a southern accent (or at least, don't talk too pretty), don't be gay, don't say a damn thing about politics or religion. Don't drive a Prius or something. You're good to go. If you are careful enough they might even occasionally start confiding in you, and expect you to agree with them, about their casually racist views. If you reach this point, you can get by with just not saying anything, and the conversation will usually evolve to other less difficult matters.

You can violate these rules, of course, but you need to be able to "pass" by compensating in other ways. So if you do wear a suit and drive a Tesla, you could make up for it if you have a good southern accent or go to church or proudly espouse your conservative values in some other way (carry a sidearm, maybe).

Also, my people will sometimes act nice to you even if they hate you. If you're here a while you will learn to recognize it. Southern "hospitality" is incredibly superficial - there's a thin veneer. If you don't look too closely, and you don't care too much about what they really think of you (because really, they're mostly harmless - unless you need something from them), you will be OK.

... unless you have kids. Please don't send kids to public schools in the rural white south if you or they are even vaguely progressive.

Re: Ask HN: How to find a small town to relocate for remote work?

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Honestly -- I think you will be disappointed. The market wrecked everyone who was trying to buy. I live in a town of 70k and I got priced out of my own neighborhood -- and I make good money. Just because it is a small town, doesn't mean you are going to get bottom of the barrel prices. For example, a 3000sqft home in my area goes for $515k and you have to bring extra money to closing to be even competitive. The areas with smaller homes are _less_ than desirable to be in so don't think you will be getting a good deal there because you are just as likely to get robbed in your front yard.

Re: Ask HN: How to find a small town to relocate for remote work?

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Ashland is a bit sunnier. Southern Oregon university, Shakespeare festival, cute downtown. Oregon is progressive libertarian.

Ashland has dramatically beautiful surroundings and an active arts scene, but it's a long drive from major urban areas and the "university" is a very, very minor outpost of higher education.

It's not super clear what OP wants, but Ashland offers a ton more than just a 'small town with a few stores'. The problem is the cost of housing, and that some years that whole valley fills up with smoke.

Re: Ask HN: How to find a small town to relocate for remote work?

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Honestly -- I think you will be disappointed. The market wrecked everyone who was trying to buy. I live in a town of 70k and I got priced out of my own neighborhood -- and I make good money. Just because it is a small town, doesn't mean you are going to get bottom of the barrel prices. For example, a 3000sqft home in my area goes for $515k and you have to bring extra money to closing to be even competitive. The areas…

Where are you from that 70k is a small town?

Re: Ask HN: How to find a small town to relocate for remote work?

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One note on small towns: most of the people there aren't transplants, so you get their culture with them. American cities have a reasonably standardized culture, courtesy of hundreds of daily direct flights to each other. Small towns are still highly regional. Not saying there's no difference between Seattle and Miami. But most people on HN could find a social group in both. Not so for Muleshoe, Texas. > But be prepa…

Values - status is built on the east coast by affiliation—to family, to schools and universities, to political groups, to elite employers. Status is built on the west coast in an anti-establishment way, mostly prizing creativity and individualism. (Though, the lefties of them would consider that a dirty word. If you call them "indie" it's a compliment, though.) That applies to lots of art and music, but I suspect the…

I totally disagree on your assessment of East coast culture, unless you are only spending time in basically wealthy, old money, blue blood type places. Which considering you mention polo and rowing, that is probably the case. The working class parts and middle class people in the East Coast don't name drop, and believe in more of having made it themselves.

Re: Ask HN: How to find a small town to relocate for remote work?

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My method sure hasn't worked very well... or has it? I was looking for cheap warehouse space to start a business in, and did a nation-wide search for the largest, cheapest building in the entire continental US. I found one that seemed too good to be true. a 220,000 sqft metal warehouse and office complex on 17 acres. I thought the price was a typo at $375k.The agent assured me that the price was correct, and I flew o…

Sounds like you thought something was too good to be true, and then found out that it was too good to be true. And then you doubled-down, and now have a bunch of illiquid assets.

Did you buy the warehouse sight unseen? Did you do any research on the local community and crime rates?

Cheap land is cheap for a reason. It sounds like you found out the reason that land was so cheap.

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