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Its really impressive how much Tailscale care about the UX of the whole product all the way down to the level of not over complicating their menus. The whole Tailscale experience for an enduser (ie not Tailscale admin) is so much nicer than compared with something like OpenVPN in a place without MDM.
This is a a beautiful thread. All the concerns that come into play with a commercial business, a very human representative of that business, and someone outside expressing a need. A need that some would see is contradictory to the pure business goals. Doing business out in the open like Tailscale is doing is so refreshing. Having seen Brad Fitz communicate in other places, it is obvious he isn't doing the right thing…
Its really impressive how much Tailscale care about the UX of the whole product all the way down to the level of not over complicating their menus. The whole Tailscale experience for an enduser (ie not Tailscale admin) is so much nicer than compared with something like OpenVPN in a place without MDM.
The solution of only showing menu opens if you repeatedly open and close the menu seems very bizarre to me though? Is there precedent for that?
This is a a beautiful thread. All the concerns that come into play with a commercial business, a very human representative of that business, and someone outside expressing a need. A need that some would see is contradictory to the pure business goals. Doing business out in the open like Tailscale is doing is so refreshing. Having seen Brad Fitz communicate in other places, it is obvious he isn't doing the right thing…
I remember when we used to say things like that about Google, circa 2000.
This is a a beautiful thread. All the concerns that come into play with a commercial business, a very human representative of that business, and someone outside expressing a need. A need that some would see is contradictory to the pure business goals. Doing business out in the open like Tailscale is doing is so refreshing. Having seen Brad Fitz communicate in other places, it is obvious he isn't doing the right thing…
I remember when we used to say things like that about Google, circa 2000.
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I remember when we used to say things like that about Google, circa 2000.
Earning large sums of money corrupts everything. Eventually people realise that being 'evil' is highly profitable.
This is a a beautiful thread. All the concerns that come into play with a commercial business, a very human representative of that business, and someone outside expressing a need. A need that some would see is contradictory to the pure business goals. Doing business out in the open like Tailscale is doing is so refreshing. Having seen Brad Fitz communicate in other places, it is obvious he isn't doing the right thing…
I remember when we used to say things like that about Google, circa 2000.
Interesting. I would never use a hosted VPN service because I want to be the only one who controls access. For this reason I don't use something like ZeroTier either (even though that can technically be self-hosted, it's not easy). But Mesh VPN is a great option. I wonder if Headscale can also use internal credentials? As far as I remember with tailscale you had to log in with Google or Microsoft which is another tot…
from the project page:
https://github.com/juanfont/headscale
>Node registration
> • Single-Sign-On (via Open ID Connect)
> • Pre authenticated key
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Yep it doesn't work on iOS, hopefully the Tailscale team add a similar debug menu that they added on Android and make the login server URL configurable through there, or a working configuration through a .mobileconfig would also be fine!
I wonder why they don't open source the iOS client like they do Android. There is precedent for open source iOS apps still available on the App Store, so that's not a limitation. I would gladly dedicate some time to adding this as a PR (as I'm sure a million others would, too).
In general the OSS operating systems get OSS clients, whereas the closed-source ones don’t necessarily get the full OSS treatment.
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I wonder why they don't open source the iOS client like they do Android. There is precedent for open source iOS apps still available on the App Store, so that's not a limitation. I would gladly dedicate some time to adding this as a PR (as I'm sure a million others would, too).
Tailscale employee here: In general the OSS operating systems get OSS clients, whereas the closed-source ones don’t necessarily get the full OSS treatment.
That makes sense and seems like a legitimate line to draw. Being a little bit of a pain, I would point out that the Google Play store and Google's components for Android are not open source. If you're willing to make Tailscale available via Google Play, and open source the client, maybe iOS can as well? And while we're at it, macOS apps can be installed out of band of an app store, so maybe that can be open, too. It could even share a codebase these days.