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Re: Caste in California: Tech giants confront ancient Indian hierarchy

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Related: Google’s caste-bias problem - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32425308 - Aug 2022 (249 comments) Google cancelled a talk on caste bias - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31593799 - June 2022 (946 comments) Trapped in Silicon Valley’s hidden caste system - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30515099 - March 2022 (543 comments) India’s tech sector reinforces old caste divides - https://news.ycombina…

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Re: Caste in California: Tech giants confront ancient Indian hierarchy

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People in US will be shocked to know how “caste” politics works in India. It is affirmative action taken to its absolute extreme for no other purpose but gaining political vote. More than half of the seats at all universities, including science and medicine, are reserved for the caste people. Same for government jobs and everything that is under government control. It only makes sense to politicians that caste people are “minority” when they make sure more than half of everything is reserved for them. As someone who grew up in poor non-caste family, I watched my rich caste friends walk into prestigious universities and get admissions like it was no big deal while poor kids like me with much better academics had to settle for less or even give up field of study entirely.

In India, current caste system purely exist as vote bank for politicians. It is sad to see “caste” people now trying to push same affirmative actions with their discrimination shenanigans in US. They grew up entirely on Indian politics holding their hand while pushing out more deserving people. It is completely and utterly bogus claims that these people apparently now being prevented from getting promoted and hired due to discrimination in US. As an Indian living over 3 decades in US, I have never ever seen a single instance of anyone asking or disclosing their “caste”. To uninitiated, there is NO way to tell if some Indian person belongs to caste unless they disclose themselves with some certificate from their village. I grew up in India and I cannot tell which last name belongs to what caste. New generations and cities are extraordinarily cosmopolitan and I have never seen any discrimination based on cast in city I grew up in India for over two decades. Unlike African Americans or immigrants, there is no physical or language or any other externalities that gives away your caste. So, all these discrimination claims are just bullshit.

Re: Caste in California: Tech giants confront ancient Indian hierarchy

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Indian friend told me that you can know the caste by their last names. And this is true for most last names. Isn't that true?

Due to the actions of EV Ramaswamy Naicker, a lot of Brahmins from Tamil Nadu were forced to give up their traditional surnames, and made to instead take on their father's names.

Ah, found the racist brahmin. First time I'm hearing this passive aggressive "Naicker" attached to Periyar's name.

I'm torn between calling you out and asking for a source for your claim. Going to do both.

Salty much? Plz link to source lol.

Re: Caste in California: Tech giants confront ancient Indian hierarchy

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I see the claim made that caste-ism doesn't fall under existing discrimination laws, but I don't really see how it's actually any different from run-of-the-mill racism. Caste is familially inherited. So a person is being judged based upon their ancestry. The only difference between "that group of families is inherently inferior" and "that race is inherently inferior" seems to be how broadly/narrowly you define "race"…

Caste is discrimination based on religion. The discriminator views the victim as being less deserving based on religious ideology. The religious ideology insists that a person born to a certain caste deserves it based on something they supposedly did in a past lifetime. It thus excuses the prejudicial behavior as a form of cosmic justice.

Re: Caste in California: Tech giants confront ancient Indian hierarchy

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The law should simply say: do you observe any beliefs that make you treat a group of people in a favorable or unfavorable way, based on criteria other than academic or professional qualifications? If so, you should declare your conflict of interest at the beginning of each meeting and document and be excluded from professional decisions involving hiring, firing, promotions, etc. Ideally, this should also apply to inv…

Why should it apply to investors? It is no one’s business where an investor chooses to put their money, their goal is to make a return, not uphold some moral code.

Then why have a different moral code for employers and investors?
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