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Milwaukee Tool Raises the Bar with New USA Factory

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Re: Milwaukee Tool Raises the Bar with New USA Factory

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American manufacturing looks like low-wage workers making $12 an hour (a few years ago) making windshields. A real American manufacturing renaissance would be German, with high skilled trained professionals designing, building, and operating advanced machines to create complex products. Basically what the Chinese are continually getting better at. There is no hope. America can’t even agree on giving community college…

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Re: Milwaukee Tool Raises the Bar with New USA Factory

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American manufacturing looks like low-wage workers making $12 an hour (a few years ago) making windshields. A real American manufacturing renaissance would be German, with high skilled trained professionals designing, building, and operating advanced machines to create complex products. Basically what the Chinese are continually getting better at. There is no hope. America can’t even agree on giving community college…

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And they’re offended at the notion that we might want to build things in the US instead of China, because that would be racist.

No, they're not.

Re: Milwaukee Tool Raises the Bar with New USA Factory

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You've got them mixed up. DeWalt is Stanley Black & Decker, which also makes modern, non-Sears Craftsman tools, along with a bunch of others--Bostitch nailers, Irwin, whatever's left of the Porter-Cable line, and upscale stuff like MAC (uses DeWalt batteries, as it happens) or Proto. Milwaukee is TTI, which owns Home Depot's exclusive Ryobi and Ridgid brands, along with Empire (measuring devices), Hart (Ryobi but for…

> Stanley Black & Decker, which also makes modern, non-Sears Craftsman tools Stanley Black & Decker bought Craftsman several years back. Before the sale, Sears had contracted Stanley Black & Decker to make at least some of their Craftsman tools.

I'm referring to power tools. Sears "Craftsman" power tools are incompatible with the ones everyone else sells.

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Oh yeah, the off-model and the multi-model tools are a rat's nest. I own a Delta 36-725T2 tablesaw, bought from Lowe's. Delta is now owned by Chang Type Industrial (who own the Delta name now). The same factory makes the Ridgid R4560 table saw, sold at Home Depot. The Delta Cruzer was one of the earliest zero-rear-clearance miter saws and there's a Ridgid one of those now, too. I'm honestly kind of glad, it means the…

> I don't like "ORANGE!" being shouted at me every time I open the garage door. Some have used Plastidip to blackout loud logos.

It's the entire front panel. You might as well take a wire wheel to it and break out the Rustoleum.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/RIDGID-10-in-Contractor-Table-Sa...

Re: Milwaukee Tool Raises the Bar with New USA Factory

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American manufacturing looks like low-wage workers making $12 an hour (a few years ago) making windshields. A real American manufacturing renaissance would be German, with high skilled trained professionals designing, building, and operating advanced machines to create complex products. Basically what the Chinese are continually getting better at. There is no hope. America can’t even agree on giving community college…

> A real American manufacturing renaissance would be German, with high skilled trained professionals designing, building, and operating advanced machines to create complex products. So like Applied Materials, Lam Research, and KLA Tencor? The global leaders in semiconductor machinery are predominantly American, with honorable mentions for the Japanese (Tokyo Electron, Dainippon Screen) and Dutch (ASML, ASMI). Most of…

It may be a bit overblown but it’s not wrong. We should invest in the future of engineering. I doubt you’d say that statement is controversial.

Re: Milwaukee Tool Raises the Bar with New USA Factory

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> Stanley Black & Decker, which also makes modern, non-Sears Craftsman tools Stanley Black & Decker bought Craftsman several years back. Before the sale, Sears had contracted Stanley Black & Decker to make at least some of their Craftsman tools.

I'm referring to power tools. Sears "Craftsman" power tools are incompatible with the ones everyone else sells.

I guess I don't understand. Sears sells the same Craftsman power tools I got from Lowe's.

Re: Milwaukee Tool Raises the Bar with New USA Factory

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Increasingly looking like my decision to give up bootcamping myself into a coastal tech job and come back home to the midwest and work in a factory was the correct choice long term. Plenty of job security with all the onshoring happening. Ironically I'd be worried if I was in tech about the WFH trend and out of touch entitlement of the zoom class bringing about outsourcing again. Oh and the funny money ponzi scheme c…

> with all the onshoring happening

Can you expand on this? What industries, what components, and at what volume? How many jobs is this?

Re: Milwaukee Tool Raises the Bar with New USA Factory

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This is good news, but Milwaukee is primarily a power tool company. Bringing power tool manufacturing back to the USA would be much bigger news. Project Farm is a YouTube channel that reviews tools. I've noticed that most of the made-in-USA products are relatively simple - hand tools, drill bits, adhesives, lubricants, and so on. Any complex assembly that includes electronics is almost invariably made in Asia. It fee…

This article is depressing. We’re making pliers and screwdrivers and that’s supposed to be worth celebrating? I’ll celebrate when we have automated factories that mean we don’t have to pay 10x wages compared to third world countries and we can actually compete by making all the real things like power tools at Milwaukee in this case.

Re: Milwaukee Tool Raises the Bar with New USA Factory

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> Western countries don't really have the infrastructure, housing or education necessary Why do non-Western elites send their kids to Western countries for university educations? > increasingly not alternative ways of competing either like creativity, influence or equality. Which non-Western countries are competing on creativity?

> Which non-Western countries are competing on creativity? They aren't, that's the point. Countries like China, Japan and South Korea are very good at pulling everyone in the same direction by following rules, having hierarchies, exchanging favors, working long hours, handing out punishments and whatnot. Far better than any western country could because we aren't at that point in time (and maybe Japan isn't now eithe…

Solar PV, battery technologies, and smart phone transaction systems are areas where China is playing a leading role. They are competitive in EVs and Automated Vehicles. I'm sure there are others. The US isn't even in the game any more for many consumer products.

Re: Milwaukee Tool Raises the Bar with New USA Factory

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American manufacturing looks like low-wage workers making $12 an hour (a few years ago) making windshields. A real American manufacturing renaissance would be German, with high skilled trained professionals designing, building, and operating advanced machines to create complex products. Basically what the Chinese are continually getting better at. There is no hope. America can’t even agree on giving community college…

I don't know if that's a fair assessment, really. While it's not economically viable to pay American wages to put drills together, we do make things like jet engines and CNC machines here. The complexity has to be high enough to justify the high cost of labor. If you can build something from raw materials in your garage over the weekend, then it's probably not worth paying someone's mortgage, health insurance, and 40…

Health insurance. Which manufacturing companies in other countries don't have to deal with.
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