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The relationship between Readability and Instapaper

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Re: The relationship between Readability and Instapaper

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I love Instapaper, but it's especially interesting that Marco has been able to compete against larger groups like Readability and Apple's Reading List. I'm afraid it might be inevitable that he gets swamped by a constant stream of competitive features, unless Instapaper expands beyond 1 employee.

But if it's just a 1 person company he can afford to stay small and still be highly profitable. Additionally Readability has stated that they're still figuring out their business model, where as Marco has had a steady income for a long time now. It's entirely possible that Readability vanishes in a few years and Instapaper is still around.

Agreed. From a casual observer's perspective Readability seems to have failed at a good idea and is now switching direction with no clear goal.

Evernote, however, has a pretty clear business model.

Re: The relationship between Readability and Instapaper

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I'm totally confused by the apparent consensus sentiment going around on this. I adore Instapaper. I think it's unbelievably well done, I use it, and I don't have plans to look elsewhere.. that said, I can't say I worry or get sad about people who develop competing products.

Seriously?

It's ridiculous to react that way. First of all, I find it patronizing. Marco's really fucking good at what he does. If it turns out that what he does is easy enough for someone else to swoop in and do better easily, then what he does isn't all that interesting. I doubt that's the case.

Second... fucking of course. This is how it works, and how it's supposed to work. We're all consumers first, producers second. As consumers we benefit from this mechanism CONSTANTLY, and the things we consume are directly responsible for making the things we produce possible. We all got Facebook from Myspace from Friendster... Look at your car, look at your appliances, look at anything in your life. The ability to completely rip off shit and do part of it a little better is where much more innovation comes from than individual giant Big New Ideas. The folks that stay on top for prolonged periods of time are folks who capitalize on that are able to do that internally instead of resting on their laurels, and frankly Marco has proven that tendency as well.

[Edit] Sorry, further. The point isn't what Instapaper (as a product) is today, and this is exactly why small companies are great. It's what Marco is. When I go down the street and buy fresh pasta from the place that's been making it for longer than I've been alive, I'm not buying a product.. I'm investing in a relationship... A relationship that I can trust to deliver me compelling value on an ongoing basis. It's one thing to swoop in and build a product that looks very much like one that's on the market (only free, or whatever). That's not interesting to me. You haven't really accomplished anything valuable. In fact, it's easy to argue you've literally sucked value out of the world. It's another thing to replicate the ability to deserve people's trust that you'll continue to deliver value in new ways... even if the original source for your inspiration is gone (and especially if you were to blame for it).

TL/DR: I ain't scurred.

[Edit] Downvote explanation anyone?

Re: The relationship between Readability and Instapaper

#14

I love Instapaper, but it's especially interesting that Marco has been able to compete against larger groups like Readability and Apple's Reading List. I'm afraid it might be inevitable that he gets swamped by a constant stream of competitive features, unless Instapaper expands beyond 1 employee.

As far as Apple goes, I think Marco's predictions are correct. First, Apple will never compete on a feature by feature basis because that would add too much complexity, and they'll be constrained unless they make a native app. Second, Apple's reading list has made me realize how much I can benefit from instapaper's important features like offline reading and footnote handling.

edit: Here's Marco's original article about Apple's Reading list http://www.marco.org/2011/04/30/lion-safari-reading-list

Re: The relationship between Readability and Instapaper

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    They are certainly a direct competitor to Instapaper 
    now. But it didn’t catch me by surprise, and I hope 
    to still remain friendly with them.

    This is a very big and increasingly crowded market, 
    and there’s no reason why we can’t respectfully 
    share it.
Those are inspiring words, which I will keep in mind. It is a very healthy approach toward competition and competitors, and I would rather adapt this one instead of "we shall smash our competitors to death" which is more in common (see all recent patent suites for instance)

Re: The relationship between Readability and Instapaper

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post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it uses a custom scraper written by Marco. I've found that both of them work better on some pages and worse on others. (However, I do believe the "Safari Reader" feature of iOS 5 and Safari 5 does use Readability to extract the contents.)

The "Reader" button appears to be a fork of Readability ( http://downloadsquad.switched.com/2010/06/08/think-safari-re... ) Also of note, the original Readability was actually "partly inspired by" instapaper ( http://lab.arc90.com/2009/03/02/readability/ )

So I looked into all of these some time ago for an app that I use myself. The Safari fork of Readability is the best client implementation, while the best server-side implementation (by a mile) is Diffbot.

Out of the 50 sources I had (regular RSS updates, etc.) InstaPaper failed on far too many, either stripping important content or pictures and captions. Readability was only a bit better

I glued together an app that will pull in RSS, send each URL to diffbot, and then collate the output into a reader that I use. Never thought of releasing it as an app, I just use it myself.

Re: The relationship between Readability and Instapaper

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>In February of this year, the app was finished and ready to launch, but it was rejected by Apple for the in-app-purchase subscription-matching rule, which had just gone into effect. Readability decided that they didn’t want to give Apple the 30%, so the app was put on hold and soon cancelled once it was obvious that nobody was budging.

Readability didn't decide they didn't want to give 30%, they just couldn't because then Apple would end up with all of Readability's revenues.

Re: The relationship between Readability and Instapaper

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I guess it's weird that I often instapaper pages I've readability-ed?

I do the same thing, usually with multi-page articles, since Readability will stitch pages into one long one before I save to Instapaper.

Instapaper automagically stitches paginated articles together.

Re: The relationship between Readability and Instapaper

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post #15

They are certainly a direct competitor to Instapaper now. But it didn’t catch me by surprise, and I hope to still remain friendly with them. This is a very big and increasingly crowded market, and there’s no reason why we can’t respectfully share it. Those are inspiring words, which I will keep in mind. It is a very healthy approach toward competition and competitors, and I would rather adapt this one instead of "we…

It's not how things usually work out. Cisco and Juniper aren't friendly competitors. They are each trying as hard as possible to destroy the other. And the employees at each company feel the same. Less so at Cisco because they are so much larger, but at Juniper, they are absolutely focused on "kill Cisco."
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