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Re: As an artist I am concerned about AI image generation

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Post by Kiro »

bambax wrote: post #109
Kiro wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not only is your rant about Google misplaced considering Dall-E is OpenAI, not Google, but the thread is also not complaining about Dall-E. It's about Stable Diffusion ( https://stability.ai/blog/stable-diffusion-announcement ) which is explicitly trained on working artists. That's why it tries to reproduce the logo.

You're right of course! I don't know what I was thinking. Dall-e is MS. I will edit.

Thanks! Good edit. For the record I agree with your comment but got distracted by the error.

Re: As an artist I am concerned about AI image generation

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Post by t_mann »

xor99 wrote: post #105
thejohnconway wrote: post #93

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> Digital art is not permanently interesting. I'm not sure what you mean by this. Reproducibility has virtually nothing to do with interest in my opinion. I was an admirer of plenty of artists before I'd ever seen their work in person. Perhaps I am missing the point.

I mean it in the sense that using digital technologies to produce art is not always going to be interesting. I don't mean that I will never find any digital art interesting though. Distilled to one point: DALL-E does not wholesale capture any rational definition of art reflecting actual art history. I think DALL-E is a win-win by pushing digital art to some further extreme and forcing people who are open to art beyon…

Do you seriously want to go down the 'This is not art' path? That battle has been lost so many times for different forms of art that are much harder to 'get' for most people.

Also, since you like to emphasize the 'digital' part of these works, don't forget we're probably not much further than one Master-level project for some mechanical engineering students from having AI-generated physical paintings.

Re: As an artist I am concerned about AI image generation

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Post by Kaibeezy »

jmfldn wrote: post #69
analog31 wrote: post #54

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Indeed, I'll get worried when DALL-E gets sick of everything it has seen, and comes up with something that's new, and maybe not even very good at first, but perseveres until it's recognized as important. All, while earning its living in some soul sucking day job. I'd actually love to see DALL-E take on the greeting card industry. Now that would be fun.

I literally just made a greeting card with DALL-E. Generated the image I wanted and had the card printed and posted to the recepient for no more than buying a pre-exisiting card. Advantage here is that this image concept, which was very tailored to the person, didn't exist anywhere in any form. All my friends and family will get AI cards now!

Same, but I just posted the screenshot with the birthday-related-items search string and thumbnails to her timeline. Free and she loved it. Done.

Re: As an artist I am concerned about AI image generation

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Post by thejohnconway »

xor99 wrote: post #105
thejohnconway wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Digital art is not permanently interesting. I'm not sure what you mean by this. Reproducibility has virtually nothing to do with interest in my opinion. I was an admirer of plenty of artists before I'd ever seen their work in person. Perhaps I am missing the point.

I mean it in the sense that using digital technologies to produce art is not always going to be interesting. I don't mean that I will never find any digital art interesting though. Distilled to one point: DALL-E does not wholesale capture any rational definition of art reflecting actual art history. I think DALL-E is a win-win by pushing digital art to some further extreme and forcing people who are open to art beyon…

Ah, I see what you mean, as in digital creation is just another in a long line of technologies used for art creation, and at some point will just be mundane? I agree completely with that.

Re: As an artist I am concerned about AI image generation

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Post by p1esk »

Aransentin wrote: post #64
adamhi wrote: post #28

I won't pretend that this isn't a troubling development for digital artists, maybe even existentially so. I hope not. One thing that makes me a little hopeful is that every image I've generated with DALL-E 2, even the best ones, would require non-trivial work to make them "good". There's always something wrong, and you can't tell the model "the hat should be tilted about 5 about degrees", or "the hands should not loo…

Considering the staggering speed that image generation is improving, that 10% gap will only continue to close. Starting e.g. an art education right now seems likely to be extremely nerve-wracking as your talents may very well be woefully obsolete by the time you graduate; the exception perhaps being those top-0.1% talents that will feed the models of the future with new material.

So an art training will become more like pro sports training where “success” means to be top 100 or so in the world. Note it does not prevent one to do arts (or sports) as a hobby. People didn’t stop playing chess after Kasparov lost to Deep Blue.

Re: As an artist I am concerned about AI image generation

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Post by p1esk »

vanadium1st wrote: post #98

I am a working digital artist, my personal feed is filled with takes like this. I understand the crisis that artists go through currently and I understand their emotions. I've personally made peace with it already, but it will take time for everyone and there will be a lot of concern, rage and bargaining in the process. All of us artists woke up in the world where the thing we were learning to produce all of our live…

Do you think the AI will become better than the best human artist? In the foreseeable future?

Re: As an artist I am concerned about AI image generation

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Post by xor99 »

thejohnconway wrote: post #134
xor99 wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean it in the sense that using digital technologies to produce art is not always going to be interesting. I don't mean that I will never find any digital art interesting though. Distilled to one point: DALL-E does not wholesale capture any rational definition of art reflecting actual art history. I think DALL-E is a win-win by pushing digital art to some further extreme and forcing people who are open to art beyon…

Ah, I see what you mean, as in digital creation is just another in a long line of technologies used for art creation, and at some point will just be mundane? I agree completely with that.

Yeah and it'll evolve unexpectedly but not in a way that most artists can't adapt to or develop a practice with. I just don't agree with the idea that DALL-E is art poison. That's overly simplistic and reactionary and not realistic about the diversity of form, materials, composition in artworks.

Re: As an artist I am concerned about AI image generation

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Post by xor99 »

h2odragon wrote: post #29

I'm watching an artist play with DALL-E for the past few days; it's proving to be a useful tool for inspiring concepts and leading her to her own visualizations and execution of things that she had not gotten to "gel" previously. I can recall a little bit of the fuss at the beginning of digital art, "is that even real art?" I don't think this fuss has as much to stand on. It's a tool for making art; whether it's real…

That's a good point. In a way DALL-E just shifts the burden of creativity on to how someone can come up with and idea and translate that into written language.

Re: As an artist I am concerned about AI image generation

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Post by xor99 »

joecool1029 wrote: post #37

Can I get an "Amen, Brother"? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amen_break Not saying AI/ML won't be damaging and cause negative effects, just pointing out that other uncompensated prior art has been used to create transformative works before we ever had DALL-E.

Yeah sampling and remixing are actually extremely similar to one aspect of DALL-E's overall system. Sure its more technically impressive but from a HCI point of view you are really just sampling via text based input all be it with much more complexity and control over the synthesis parameters.
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