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Re: As an artist I am concerned about AI image generation

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Post by orangecat »

superchroma wrote: post #12
cercatrova wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Either way I support AI art and AI in other fields. Just because artists are mad it's gonna take their jobs does not seem like a legitimate reason to halt human progress. It's just inevitable the way things are going.

Whilst automation in textiles, agriculture, etc. brought measurable benefits to society, this will have few as it stands. I can think of a dozen things that are worth automating before this. This leaves me suspecting that projects like DALL-E are gunning for Shutterstock's $500 million annual profit and that's it.

This leaves me suspecting that projects like DALL-E are gunning for Shutterstock's $500 million annual profit and that's it.

Do you think AlphaGo was motivated by a burning desire to discover better board game strategies?

Re: As an artist I am concerned about AI image generation

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Post by t_mann »

Bjorkbat wrote: post #6
cercatrova wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Either way I support AI art and AI in other fields. Just because artists are mad it's gonna take their jobs does not seem like a legitimate reason to halt human progress. It's just inevitable the way things are going.

Just because some trend feels inevitable doesn’t mean we shouldn’t oppose it. We shouldn’t be beholden to the march of technology like it’s some force of nature that we are powerless to resist.

Can you give examples of when technology was successfully rolled back for social reasons (not because it was found to have dramatic side effects, like asbestos eg) and that didn't coincide with a massive drop in HDI (like the fall of the Roman empire)?

Re: As an artist I am concerned about AI image generation

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Post by status200 »

I think the tweet author is missing the meat and focusing on the gravy - they themselves indicate that the AI just replicates existing styles, so it will only ever produce existing art styles with the signature AI blurry weirdness on the details.

A main hallmark of breakthrough artists is inventing new styles and making them their own, a feat that AI has yet to perform very well (unless you include the aforementioned blurry telltales of generation and scrambled letters). Otherwise artists are just borrowing ideas from each other anyway so AI removes the need to learn someone else's style to replicate it.

In my opinion it will hurt the bottom tier of artists, but the ones who create new styles along with their own works will continue to thrive.

Re: As an artist I am concerned about AI image generation

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Post by analog31 »

xor99 wrote: post #47

Digital art is not permanently interesting. My sympathies go out to people who feel like they will lose some of their business. However, a group of developers has shown what was always true about digital art: its computational art even if you draw it because it is encoded digitally. In other words, it was always going to be reproducible and remixable. The problem with being shocked by Dall-E, in my view, is that it s…

Indeed, I'll get worried when DALL-E gets sick of everything it has seen, and comes up with something that's new, and maybe not even very good at first, but perseveres until it's recognized as important. All, while earning its living in some soul sucking day job.

I'd actually love to see DALL-E take on the greeting card industry. Now that would be fun.

Re: As an artist I am concerned about AI image generation

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Post by throwaway82388 »

I think it’s telling that the primary ethical concerns around AI development (at least at OpenAI, if not others) are that AI tools not be used to enable propagandists, or to generate violent or sexual imagery.

I see comparatively few ethical concerns about the economic fallout professional artists and illustrators will experience as a result.

Re: As an artist I am concerned about AI image generation

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Post by karamanolev »

status200 wrote: post #53

I think the tweet author is missing the meat and focusing on the gravy - they themselves indicate that the AI just replicates existing styles, so it will only ever produce existing art styles with the signature AI blurry weirdness on the details. A main hallmark of breakthrough artists is inventing new styles and making them their own, a feat that AI has yet to perform very well (unless you include the aforementioned…

Let's someone creates an AI where you describe your program and it writes it using only existing code snippets. It might put 90% or more of software engineers out of work. Saying "but software engineers who create truly innovative systems, design patterns, languages and approaches will continue to thrive" is very limiting.

I fully grasp the concern here. It's not unlike what happened during industrialization, but on an intellectual level. I don't know what the solution is. Basic income has been floated, but I'm having a hard time evaluating all the arguments for and against.

Re: As an artist I am concerned about AI image generation

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Post by kimi »

MontyCarloHall wrote: post #20
kimi wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Very few people would watch Olympic Games performed by realistic androids. Why not? a cyclist is a "realistic android" to a runner. It would just be different, more like F1.

People celebrate F1 drivers a lot more than the automakers. Senna and Schumacher are far more famous as individuals than the teams they drove for. I guarantee that if there is ever a self-driving cup, people will be mostly focused on the human engineering talent.

Definitely - they would watch androids play because they'd root for a team and the people involved.

Re: As an artist I am concerned about AI image generation

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Post by alexashka »

It'll be just another tool in an artist's toolkit. The jump in quality among artists since tablets (pens to draw on a computer screen) and stock photography became widely available 15-20 years ago, has been astronomical.

Not to mention the 3D graphics of the past 2 decades, oh ma gawd! It's artist paradise compared to what people had 50 years ago.

Re: As an artist I am concerned about AI image generation

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Post by RobRivera »

ayngg wrote: post #9

A lot of art created now, especially for film/ media, already goes through a similar process that AI just automates and accelerates. Several big concept artists I have met have lamented on the fact that many artists in the industry basically churn compositions out through mashing references they gather on google images or asset stores, not to mention just straight photobashing, which has made a lot of the concepts pr…

strong concur, evaluating the creative processes requires acknowledging influences, and if pop culture referrence go beyond inspiration and become a core influence in style then the art aspect becomes industrializable, and in this case replaceable by AI.

THE FUTURE IS HERE AND ITS AWESOME

Re: As an artist I am concerned about AI image generation

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Post by egypturnash »

orangecat wrote: post #50
egypturnash wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please save this comment to refer to when an iteration of Copilot starts to make you truly worried for the future of your career. Thanks in advance.

Yeah, and we should really do something about those abominations like Excel and Python that let ordinary people create programs without hiring us to do it the right way.

There is a big difference between "this is a tool that makes some things easier" and "this is definitely endangering the skill I spent a lifetime learning".

You will know it when you see it.

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