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As an artist I am concerned about AI image generation

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Re: As an artist I am concerned about AI image generation

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Post by bdw5204 »

AI generated art seems like a good way to open up solo game dev to people who can't draw. Just run the AI over and over again until you get artwork close to what you want.

There are already tools out there for people who want to automate the programming part of game dev. I don't see how that's any different in principle from an AI that generates art. This seems like a better solution to the problem of making a game without being any good at art than buying assets since your assets should be unique.

Re: As an artist I am concerned about AI image generation

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Post by cercatrova »

adamhi wrote: post #28

I won't pretend that this isn't a troubling development for digital artists, maybe even existentially so. I hope not. One thing that makes me a little hopeful is that every image I've generated with DALL-E 2, even the best ones, would require non-trivial work to make them "good". There's always something wrong, and you can't tell the model "the hat should be tilted about 5 about degrees", or "the hands should not loo…

Have you seen Stable Diffusion, the AI in question in the tweet? The images are astoundingly good, much better than DALL-E 2 even.

https://twitter.com/StableDiffusion/

Re: As an artist I am concerned about AI image generation

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Post by egypturnash »

phi-y wrote: post #21
MontyCarloHall wrote: post #13

Transfer learning to emulate artistic style [0] has been around for the better part of a decade and has had zero impact on artists’ livelihoods. People consume art because they enjoy admiring the human talent that creates it, celebrating that some individuals are capable of extraordinary feats the vast majority of people are incapable of. It’s the same reason people watch sports—they enjoy admiring the top echelon of…

The danger of tools like this is eliminating those margins. This type of automation will eliminate junior graphic designer roles and add new requirements for the experienced graphic designers. Both of these affect the job market by making it harder to get started and stay. There will always be the high end and boutique jobs. The picassos and rembrandts will continue to find work. The starving artist who sells out to…

Yes. The journey to master artist begins with finding a place to crank out a lot of apprentice/journeyman level art. You get a little bit better at some aspect of the craft with every piece you make; eventually this makes a very visible difference from your early work. Regular critique from your peers and mentors helps a lot too.

Rembrandt started out as an apprentice, with about four years starting around 13 before he opened his own studio. Picasso was trained by his art professor father from the age of seven in what sounds like a very traditionally hardcore fashion.

Re: As an artist I am concerned about AI image generation

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Post by salt-thrower »

acadapter wrote: post #11

Mail couriers had to teach themselves to drive after many years of using horses. Artists will have to learn how to stimulate AI models in effective ways and perform suitable post-processing.

The corporate automation of creative work is not comparable to the choice between different modes of transportation for a courier job.

I would gladly trade less efficiency in art generation for more artists being employed. "AI stimulation" is not a 1:1 swap for being an actual artist.

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Post by egypturnash »

cercatrova wrote: post #5
antiterra wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It also apparently copies the artist’s logo. In a way, the “it just does what humans do but faster” argument is starting to follow the “a number can’t be illegal” trajectory.

Either way I support AI art and AI in other fields. Just because artists are mad it's gonna take their jobs does not seem like a legitimate reason to halt human progress. It's just inevitable the way things are going.

Please save this comment to refer to when an iteration of Copilot starts to make you truly worried for the future of your career. Thanks in advance.

Re: As an artist I am concerned about AI image generation

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Post by joecool1029 »

Can I get an "Amen, Brother"?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amen_break

Not saying AI/ML won't be damaging and cause negative effects, just pointing out that other uncompensated prior art has been used to create transformative works before we ever had DALL-E.

Re: As an artist I am concerned about AI image generation

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Post by api »

I get the sense that the same thing is about to happen to many forms of creative work as happened to hand crafting during the industrial revolution, and if so the fallout may not be pretty.

People still buy hand crafted items of course, but they tend to be relegated to high-end or niche markets. The same would apply here. The larger number of people employed churning out relatively uncreative material would be displaced just like weavers and seamstresses were by textile mills.

Re: As an artist I am concerned about AI image generation

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Post by forrestthewoods »

I’m still not sure where the line is. Human artists steal style all the time. Maybe they eventually evolve into their own unique style. But any great artist could definitely imitate many other great artists’ style.

I’m not sure where the line is for machines. Copying the signature is funny, but also fixable. Is copying the style fundamentally wrong? If yes, is it wrong when humans do as well?

Feels like an impossible line to define.

Re: As an artist I am concerned about AI image generation

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Post by madelyn »

I think my heuristic is Magic: the Gathering card artwork.

Can DALL-E make set defining breathtaking high res promo art, with fantastic composition, style and proportion? Maybe, but probably not as well as ex. Raymond Swanland right now.

Can DALL-E crank out the 50x lands and commons needed for the set? Almost certainly.

Superstar artists will be fine but I fear the bottom will fall out of the craft.

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