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Re: Meatless meat is nothing new

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Post by snovv_crash »

mariusmg wrote: post #3

Why does plant based meat costs more than actual meat ?

It's a Veblen good - right now a lot of people aren't vegetarian due to cost issues but rather as a social statement. As such, the more you spend on the meatless meat, the louder that statement is.

After all, if you're buying the cheapest meat substitute, you're not being vegan/vegetarian for moral reasons, are you? It's for cost reasons.

Saying this as a vegetarian who doesn't really like most meatless meat products anyways. For me they're basically just to fill cultural expectations in social situations.

Re: Meatless meat is nothing new

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Post by tcfhgj »

zemvpferreira wrote: post #69
wortelefant wrote: post #59

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the "meat" in "meatless meat" describes a texture and taste profile, not an ingredient. It is easier to communicate than, say, "chewy but soft, fibrous proteins which taste is usually determined by umami and maillard reaction flavors". There is a large community around new recipes for this taste profile, e.g. https://seitansociety.com/ . compared to the logistics (animal farming and slaughter pipelines), artificial i…

Comparing the best-grown plant protein with the worst-grown animal protein is a bit disingenuous. I can easily source you an animal carcasse that was 100% pasture-grown and pasture-fed where I know everyone involved in its supply chain, from insemination to distribution. Moreover, that same animal will have been net-positive to its ecossystem through foraging etc etc. It won't be cheap, but health-positive and planet…

What is health and planet positive based on?

Compare the best meat against the worst plant based food and its still plant based>meat:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1Hq8eVOMHs

Re: Meatless meat is nothing new

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Post by Kaibeezy »

axiomsEnd wrote: post #43
ThalesX wrote: post #30

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As a meat eater, I love mushrooms and I think they are so much better as a healthy food than those weird Beyond meats. I also love vegan patties made with various kind of nuts, beans and veggies. I don’t get this appeal of turning goos and veggies into ‘meat’. Just make them their own thing. You don’t rly have to compete with meat.

Flexitarian trying to eat less meat here. - Mushrooms are awesome, but they are trash were it comes to nutiotion values. Not bad, just empty. - Protein-rich vegetables (legumes and beans) are not so easy to make into tasty dish, if you are not used to them. Meat alternatives often have high protein content and they don't requiere... Anything. - I don't have time to discover whole, new world of vegan cuisine, tips and…

May I suggest visiting a Middle Eastern grocery and trying a tin of ful medames, (there are numerous spellings) a rich and optionally spicy fava bean stew. I’m sure I once read it’s possibly the most consumed dish in human history.

You should find regional variants right there on the shelf — more or less garlic, spice, chickpeas, tahini, parsley, etc. It’s also very easy to make, whether with tinned favas or dried. Simmer with garlic and olive oil, add tahini, lemon juice, parsley, salt/pepper/chili to taste.

If you eat eggs and dairy, it’s an epic breakfast. An Ethiopian place I used to know in SF served it very spicy with a poached egg, plain yogurt/labneh, a fresh baguette and amazing tangy coffee. Memorable.

Dolmades, the stuffed grape leaves, are also satisfying in a vaguely meatlike way. Caution, while most are veg, some have actual meat.

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Post by goethes_kind »

tcfhgj wrote: post #70
goethes_kind wrote: post #68

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Honestly, the climate deniers have got their wish. What's with this dogmatic bullshit? Do I have to dance to your tune if I do not want to be called a heretic? I care about climate change and I will continue eating meat. My carbon footprint is probably still lower than yours.

Either you don't really care, or cognitive dissonance will catch up with you sooner or later

Is your AC on right now?

Re: Meatless meat is nothing new

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Post by jp0d »

Bancakes wrote: post #25
jp0d wrote: post #8

The article is behind a paywall so not really sure what's it exactly about. New or not, they're definitely gaining popularity down here in Australia. I'm seeing more and more of those on the supermarket shelves. I treat them as processed food and occasionally have some just to understand where exactly they stand. Some of them are good but mostly utter rubbish.

Unpaywalled version https://web.archive.org/web/20220814083831/https://www.econo...

Thank you.

Re: Meatless meat is nothing new

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Post by jp0d »

gregoryl wrote: post #21
jp0d wrote: post #8

The article is behind a paywall so not really sure what's it exactly about. New or not, they're definitely gaining popularity down here in Australia. I'm seeing more and more of those on the supermarket shelves. I treat them as processed food and occasionally have some just to understand where exactly they stand. Some of them are good but mostly utter rubbish.

Which ones have you tried, and which category do they fall into?

The ones at Woolies/Coles etc are usually shit. I remember having Impossible burger once at Grill'd and it was quite good. The stuff from Ikea are usually good even though they don't taste like meat.

Re: Meatless meat is nothing new

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Post by tcfhgj »

goethes_kind wrote: post #74
tcfhgj wrote: post #70

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Either you don't really care, or cognitive dissonance will catch up with you sooner or later

Is your AC on right now?

I don't even have something like that installed.

It's obvious what you are trying to do: Make other people seem worse than you are such that you still have your excuse for meat consumption.

And for what? As if it would impact your life significantly to remove meat from the ingredients of meals

I don't know where you live, but here you don't need to starve without meat even if you don't cook for yourself at all.

Re: Meatless meat is nothing new

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Post by binbashthefash »

Ambolia wrote: post #2

I don't understand how can those companies afford to put those fake meat sections on all supermarkets across the globe. At least in my european country all supermarkets seem to have this section and from what I've been told most of the products just end up being thrown away because nobody is buying them. I assume they expect to lose a lot of money now but then to make it big at some point in the future. But those com…

Lmao no, go to an Albert heijn or Jumbo.

Re: Meatless meat is nothing new

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Post by binbashthefash »

hackerlight wrote: post #23
Ambolia wrote: post #2

I don't understand how can those companies afford to put those fake meat sections on all supermarkets across the globe. At least in my european country all supermarkets seem to have this section and from what I've been told most of the products just end up being thrown away because nobody is buying them. I assume they expect to lose a lot of money now but then to make it big at some point in the future. But those com…

This is a tangent, but so much of the supermarket nowadays is junk. Go to the protein section, and there is literally no product that is just protein, everything has added artificial sweetener or some lab concoction with god knows what. Go to the frozen food section. 80% junk. Ice cream, frozen potato chips, frozen pizzas. Oh look, some frozen fruit in the corner. Go to the cereals section. 80% junk. If you look real…

You should try tofu

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Post by trention »

sweetheart wrote: post #61
trention wrote: post #54

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>Anyone who cares about the environment including ecosystem breakdown and climate change will go meatless one way or another. I "care about the environment" and I will not "go meatless". I have stopped eating beef entirely and have switched to chicken and fish, with the occasional pork steak. 1 pound of beef has the carbon footprint of ~8 pounds of chicken. Especially in the States, the best thing to do is switch you…

How do you arrive at the conclusion that the best thing to do in the US is switch your meats? Every form from animal protein is going to be less efficient than plant protein and result in more emissions [1]. There are some amazing Kurzgesagt videos exposing how and why that is true [2]. So since we know that eating animals is not required to be healthy at any stage of life [3] (assuming basic access to required nutri…

>how did you arrive to conclusion that eating chicken is better than eating lentils, beans, etc

I haven't made such a claim (here "better" would be solely in terms of emissions). What was implied was that the delta of the emissions from switching from beef to chicken/fish is (far) larger than the delta from switching from them to veganism (it's important to note that per grams of protein, dairy is comparable in emmissions to non-beef meats - so really veganism (or veganism + eggs) is required).

Also, this claim "we know that eating animals is not required to be healthy at any stage of life" is most likely false at the margin.

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