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Re: Slab City reaches its boiling point

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Re: Slab City reaches its boiling point

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The submitted title was 'Off the Grid Cali “Slab City” Reaches Its Boiling Point'.

The extra bits were superfluous, and we've taken them out now, but I don't see why you'd assume "non-native Californians" did it.

Re: Slab City reaches its boiling point

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How many treaties with the Native Americans has the government has broken? Nevermind the number. It is "All of them". This is not bombastic or exaggeration, it is simple truth.

That’s patently false. The reservations are still observed by the government. If all of them were broken the reservations would just be gone.

This assumes the reservations were the product of treaties.

They aren't.

The reservations were very one sided. Not a treaty!

Prove me wrong. I welcome it.

Re: Slab City reaches its boiling point

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The article has an overlay wanting me to put in my email address. Can't seem to close it with the X in the corner. S9 Android with Chrome browser. Renders the website useless unless I put in my email

Seems like certain website elements haven't recovered from being hugged to death earlier, but the "x" is there, just not visible. Keep clicking and it will disappear.

The X is there, but nothing happens when I tap it. Safari, IPhone.

Re: Slab City reaches its boiling point

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I drove through once; my feeling is that it takes a fair amount of guts to live in the desert-that desert, in the summertime. 120F+ is lethal to the unprepared who are out in in it for more than a brief period.

Nonsense, I grew up in the Middle East and it was regularly above 120F during the summer. Just wear a hat and make sure you have water. You’re making it sound like you immediately die.

I think the emphasis was on being prepared.

If you grow up in the area surrounded by people who know the area, you'll do fine.

If you're casually wandering into an area like that coming from San Francisco or London expecting a fun weekend, you may very well pass out or worse.

Re: Slab City reaches its boiling point

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That’s patently false. The reservations are still observed by the government. If all of them were broken the reservations would just be gone.

They aren't allowed to control their mineral rights. Just one of many injustices these sovereign nations are subjected to.

Thank you for using the correct terminology! Sovereign nations… yes.

Re: Slab City reaches its boiling point

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How? You push the dust 10000 ft up over the San Jacinto range against the prevailing winds… somehow? You don’t even get a downslope enhancement because the Salton Sea is lower than the Pacific. Or somehow the wind curves through the San Gorgonio Pass and back around to Los Angeles? You and what pressure gradient? I’m a meteorologist, so if you know the dynamics here, please explain.

Would a strong low be enough to help? Sea level isn't really what you care about right, isn't it pressure? And the pass there is https://snoqualmiewx.blogspot.com/2019/03/will-it-happen-aga... I assumed the dust from the Salton sea drying was more of a risk to Palm Springs and Mexicali, the general basin I suppose. And maybe places to the east like Phoenix? Looking at a map that seems like a stretch though.

The gap is pointed in the wrong direction — it’s a funnel on the west side, but mostly open on the east. So you either need to get particulate matter (ie heavier than air) over a barrier taller than the Appalachians, or the wind from that point needs to be lowest energy source — a strong pressure gradient around that bends from northwest to due west. The first is unlikely because most conditions that cause Santa Ana winds come with a strong inversion layer. The second is less likely due to the synoptic situation — and honestly mesoscale too. The storm tracks driven by the jet stream rarely go far enough south for a strong high pressure to be sitting over Arizona or Sonora. Over Nevada or Utah, you get winds from the Great Basin — the wrong direction. But because Arizona is so hot, the rising air keeps pressure a little lower. Low pressure over the San Gabriels or further north will just pull air through all the canyons and passes — not a very long fetch.

It’s definitely a risk to Palm Springs and El Centro. LA is just a breeze too far.

Re: Slab City reaches its boiling point

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Anybody here ever been to Slab City? I'd love to get the HN perspective on it.

I drove through once; my feeling is that it takes a fair amount of guts to live in the desert-that desert, in the summertime. 120F+ is lethal to the unprepared who are out in in it for more than a brief period.

While it can be dangerous preparedness is what matters. I've lived in a desert that reaches 115 degrees in summer my entire life. It's not a place you'd visit from somewhere more temperate but it is survivable, even without AC. So-called dry heat is far easier to deal with. The afternoons after a major thunderstorm are typically the worst of all worlds. Generally, if you avoid staying in the sun, stay hydrated, and seek shelter from around 11am to 4pm it's not so bad. Peak badness occurs between 2-4pm in my region.

That's not to say its _easy_ and without AC it can be uncomfortable. But you can survive. If you have an RV, fans, perhaps a make shift swamp cooler, and tin foil on the windows could get the internal temp down below 80 pretty easily.

Generally speaking anything over 100 degrees can be dangerous to the under prepared. At 110 degrees direct sun exposure can be lethal if you are not drinking approx. a quart of water per hour of exposure. But it _all_ comes down to exposure. Shelter changes the entire game.

Re: Slab City reaches its boiling point

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I drove through once; my feeling is that it takes a fair amount of guts to live in the desert-that desert, in the summertime. 120F+ is lethal to the unprepared who are out in in it for more than a brief period.

120F is not lethal when the humidity is low, you're in the shade, and you have water. I lived in Tempe for six years, and it was regularly 115F+ in the summer, hit 118F a handful of times when I was there, and that's not counting the extra heat if you're standing in a parking lot. I used to bicycle four miles to work when it was 115F, and walked a couple times. If you look at the Wikipedia climate tables for Slab Cit…

You're underestimating heat-related deaths. Way less than 120F kills a lot of people everywhere.
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