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Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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Post by wolfv »

From this 2019 study:

Serum concentrations of PFASs and exposure-related behaviors in African American and non-Hispanic white women

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41370-018-0109-y

Flossing with Oral-B Glide was associated with 24.9% (95% CI: 0.2–55.7) higher levels of PFHxS

Exposure to these chemicals and draws attention to coated cardboard prepared food containers and dental floss as modifiable sources. Fast food packaging show that fluorinated chemicals are detected more frequently in paper wrappers than in paperboard containers.

Eating food prepared with nonstick cookware had no significant association with PFAS levels.

Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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Post by throwaway09223 »

moffkalast wrote: post #387
throwaway09223 wrote: post #298

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I do nothing at all for mine. I cook eggs, pancake and sausage in it every morning. After, I run it under some water and scrape it with a spatula, then toss it on the burner for a few seconds to dry. It's significantly easier than dealing with nonstick, which has to be carefully kept from touching anything metal on the inner surface. It's easier to flip things like eggs on cast iron because I can use a thin metal spa…

> After, I run it under some water and scrape it with a spatula, then toss it on the burner for a few seconds to dry. I still can't get over how you guys think this is in any way sanitary. Not to mention that if any soap touches it you have to re-do the oil burning thing to remake the nonstick layer thing which isn't exactly practical, not to mention the seasoning thing. They're also rather heavy in comparison, not s…

"I still can't get over how you guys think this is in any way sanitary."

Why would you think it's not sanitary?

"Not to mention that if any soap touches it you have to re-do the oil burning thing to remake the nonstick layer thing"

No you don't. This simply isn't true. I use soap from time to time. It's fine.

"not sure what kind of shape you're in that you manage to flip pancakes in one hah."

I'm in pretty great shape, but I use a spatula to flip my pancakes.

I do toss my carbon steel pans. They're quite light.

"It's definitely harder than chucking the thing into the dishwasher for it to be washed with zero effort"

It's not, but you should know that dishwashers break down the teflon bonds and will degrade your nonstick pans. Nonstick isn't dishwasher safe either.

Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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Post by dang »

smohare wrote: post #343
discordance wrote: post #310

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Aluminum cans are lined with plastic - https://youtu.be/xBQEnVR7y9k

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Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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Post by nikau »

elil17 wrote: post #2

The study didn’t actually find anything related to cookware. Modern Teflon in the US doesn’t expose people to PFOA/PFOS like old version did due to new regulations. The chemicals could also be entering peoples body’s through drinking water or bioaccumulation in meat or plants. You should throw away nonstick cookware from before 2013, but new nonstick cookware sold in the US does not have PFOA. I believe the EU follow…

Anodized pans perform similar to teflon without the risk.

There are copper based ones that have good heat retention/distribution.

Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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Post by Steve44 »

hammock wrote: post #34
oldstrangers wrote: post #16

They're finding PFAS in everything now. https://www.consumerreports.org/bottled-water/pfas-in-bottle... https://www.vice.com/en/article/m7gban/rainwater-everywhere-... https://www.dcourier.com/news/2022/aug/11/prescott-valley-sh...

Notably, PFAS are in the food supply chain to a significant and non transparent degree. Those compostable fiber salad bowls are up to 25% PFAS. The extruders that make your dried pasta and other machine parts that make other processed foods are coated with PFAS. The paper that your sandwich is packed in is coated with PFAS. The paper straw that replaced your plastic one, to save the turtles...is coated with PFAS. Did…

> Those compostable fiber salad bowls are up to 25% PFAS

Do you have a source for that? I work with these and as far as I'm aware they are made with bagasse[1] and are not coated. The hard surface comes from pressure and heat.

Even in standard PE lined paper coffee cups the plastic is only 3-4& by weight, the rest being virgin paperboard.

Some of the board products, like the take-away containers and "plastic free" paper coffee cups use an aqueous dispersion coating. The manufacturers are generally quite cagey about what's in it because it's commercially sensitive, but they are all certified for direct food contact.

[1] It's a by-product of sugar cane.

Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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Post by Steve44 »

gremlinsinc wrote: post #258
DevX101 wrote: post #127

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I appreciate you updating your comment with an informed update that contradicted your initial argument. When a consumer chemical is discovered to be harmful, there's a tendency from companies to ask their research chemists to come up with a new chemical that shares the same beneficial properties but without the baggage of the provably dangerous chemical. There's a VERY good chance that the new chemical simply hasn't…

There's two diners in my town who have the best root beer, it's barqs, but it's served in mason jars. Soda tastes better, anything tastes better in a glass container. Even aluminum canned soda has an aluminum taste, plastic bottles have an after taste. Maybe we need to ditch plastic and aluminum packaging for bottles like we used to. I still buy plenty of drinks in plastic but if I have an option for the same price I…

I think there is quite a difference though in the lifecycle between glass & aluminium. Glass can work when it's local and smaller producers, but on large scale production and national distribution it can introduce several problems.

Glass is competitively heavy and thick so adds to transport requirements. It also can't [generally] be made on site, unlike cans which are generally formed in the food factory for larger scale producers.

There is also breakages to consider. Modern 'bottling' plants move at an incredible speed and where glass is fragile any chips or breakages can shut the line down for cleaning; shards of glass are nasty to get in your drink. There is also transport, rough handling is much more likely to break glass bottles than burst cans, the cleanup is also easier with cans, and as glass weighs more it also adds to handling costs. This also applies to recycling, a bottle takes up much more space in your recycling bin than a bottle does.

Personally I too prefer glass, but once you get beyond extremely local small scale production the considerations change dramatically.

Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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Post by TaylorAlexander »

Moldoteck wrote: post #371
walleeee wrote: post #116

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Is this true of all oils? I thought some (e.g. olive) are much better than others (cheap seed oils). I also thought risk increases with temperature, so unless you're smoking it on medium-high heat and consuming large amounts regularly it's probably not worth worrying about given that alternatives to cooking for yourself are mostly much worse. Could be wrong.

Avocado oil has highest smoking point, about 270 celsius, so i think it's among safest

oil is bad for your arteries even if it isn't burned

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4WD8Bm7s_I

Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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Post by TaylorAlexander »

stjohnswarts wrote: post #382
TaylorAlexander wrote: post #378

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Oils are bad for your arteries even if you don't burn them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4WD8Bm7s_I

no they aren't. do some research on pubmed or some place on canola/soy/butter/olive oil. No one is saying hydrogenated oils are okay though, but recent research shows all the crap out of the 60s and 70s is garbage research, recent publications do not back it up especially when you cut way back on refined carbs and sugar which contributes much more to diseases than any other food item.

I am not really qualified to make this evaluation myself, but I will note that the video is produced by a nutrition-focused doctor in 2015, featuring research from the 2000's. It seems that "endothelial function" a concern, though I don't know what that means.

One of the studies and highlighted paragraphs from the video:

"There was a significant and constant decrease in FMD 3 h after each meal intake ... independently of the type of oil used for the preparation of the meal ... or the deep-fry level..."

(I don't know what that means but it was cited in the video as bad, and the research is from 2007)

https://www.culinarymd.org/uploads/2/0/4/0/2040875/olive_soy...

Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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Post by MengerSponge »

bb88 wrote: post #304
MengerSponge wrote: post #245

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For people who care: thermopaper receipts are absolutely loaded with BPA. Cashiers have measurably higher serum BPA levels, because they touch them all day long. I generally don't take or touch receipts if I can avoid it, but I don't treat them like they're radioactive. The dose makes the poison, and I haven't figured out how to completely eliminate them and still function in society.

link?

Search: cashier serum bpa

Example study: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4927604/

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