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Hacking the Hedonic Treadmill

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Another important thing is context.

Would you enjoy a pizza you found on the floor, or would you be imagining that it probably fell on a sidewalk loogie and has coronavirus on it?

Games used to have LAN parties. People used to watch stuff together more. Many activities had annoying prep work that could be considered like grinding in a game, but in real life.

Context makes or breaks entertainment.

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post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I recommend doing a hardcore survival course. You’ll come back knowing 1. you don’t need a job (you do need an occupation…) and 2. why you appreciate modern life, while at the same time why modern life is a bit sad, taking us away from our true habitat.

Interesting. Can you please explain why you believe 1. is true? I know I’m not going to die if I stop working - I’d just become poor, and therefore less happy. If you’re suggesting a life of a farmer, then how is it different from having to work?

I realised I made an assumption. The assumption is the comment is complaining about traditional corporate type work.

There is a belief, that I have lived myself that this is the only way.

A different way is to say do a year on 9-5 and year off living off less money. Or work half the hours.

These alternatives aren’t push button they require a lot of negotiation and some work to set up for yourself.

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post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I recommend doing a hardcore survival course. You’ll come back knowing 1. you don’t need a job (you do need an occupation…) and 2. why you appreciate modern life, while at the same time why modern life is a bit sad, taking us away from our true habitat.

Can you recommend any specific hardcore survival courses for people not in military or similar roles?

Not really, I just was given one as a present. This is in australia. By hardcore… this is a relative term but 24h I had no food, barely any water, and ended up catching a bug from the water I had as I didn’t sterilize it properly.

It was soft core in the sense we were close to civilisation and no one was going to die.

The main takeaways is being prepared esp. how to source water (bring water, filters, spares, more spares, ways to start fire to boil water) and calling for help (no reason to not get a beacon). And how to treat snake bites (because they can kill) was drilled in.

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post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I recommend doing a hardcore survival course. You’ll come back knowing 1. you don’t need a job (you do need an occupation…) and 2. why you appreciate modern life, while at the same time why modern life is a bit sad, taking us away from our true habitat.

What are some examples of occupation you have in mind?

Living frugally and swapping creature comforts for free time.

Then occupy yourself with something you love, but not alcohol, tv, drugs, sloth etc. as this will probably lead to depression / addiction.

For HN stereotype that could be coding the side project which is always more fun than coding at work, even though it is still bashing keys and occasionally swearing at the monitor.

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Anna Lembke’s “Dopamine Nation” has a lot of interesting takes on the subject. One takeaway I got is that dopamine seeks a balance. Opting for pleasure seeking often ends up getting experienced as pain. An example of that is drug tolerance. Oddly, the reverse is also true: seeking pain can often lead to an experience of pleasure. The invigorated feeling after a cold shower, or how hard exercise leads to highs. She is…

Are exercise highs real? Do all people experience them or is it a genetic niche? I've tried a bunch of different exercise methods. Gone running, swimming, weightlifting etc and I've never experienced anything close to a high afterward. I'll be tired, sometimes I'll feel proud of breaking a personal record but there's never any physical positive sensation or euphoria to me that would resemble the "runners high" that p…

Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't. Feels great when it hits though

Re: Hacking the Hedonic Treadmill

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Anna Lembke’s “Dopamine Nation” has a lot of interesting takes on the subject. One takeaway I got is that dopamine seeks a balance. Opting for pleasure seeking often ends up getting experienced as pain. An example of that is drug tolerance. Oddly, the reverse is also true: seeking pain can often lead to an experience of pleasure. The invigorated feeling after a cold shower, or how hard exercise leads to highs. She is…

I've always suspected that mosquito venom does something along these lines, where the venom hijacks or overwhelms some pain nerves and makes them emit pleasure sensations instead so vigorous scratching of the skin feels unreasonably good instead of uncomfortable and painful

Re: Hacking the Hedonic Treadmill

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post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are some examples of occupation you have in mind?

Living frugally and swapping creature comforts for free time. Then occupy yourself with something you love, but not alcohol, tv, drugs, sloth etc. as this will probably lead to depression / addiction. For HN stereotype that could be coding the side project which is always more fun than coding at work, even though it is still bashing keys and occasionally swearing at the monitor.

What do you mean “swapping creature comforts for free time”?

What are some examples of creature comforts here? And what does it mean to “swap” them for free time?

I understood the rest of your reply.

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