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Autodesk criticised by 35 named architects (2020)

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Re: Autodesk criticised by 35 named architects (2020)

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Post by arcol »

sherbondy wrote: post #25

One potential source of disruption here (though I’m sure many folks will likewise feel it is frustrating to be locked into a SaaS model), is we are starting to see several intriguing startups building browser-based CAD software that are serious contenders for “the Figma of Architecture/BIM” crown, with the likes of: Arcol ( http://arcol.io ), Infurnia ( https://www.infurnia.com/ ), Qonic ( https://www.qonic.com/ ), a…

Agreed, the "Figma for BIM" space is exciting. We're lucky to be backed by Dylan and some awesome AEC folks as we at Arcol try to re-think building design.

Yes, there's definitely a lot to be said for open source software, we're big supporters of it at Arcol and hope we're able to contribute to some of those projects in a meaningful way over the next few years.

Re: Autodesk criticised by 35 named architects (2020)

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Post by riedel »

NegativeLatency wrote: post #80
riedel wrote: post #8

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Supporting FreeCAD [1] would be IMHO the way to go as they already provide both interfaces to BIM [2] and Blender [3]. Would be great if there were more architects or structural engineering companies that invest in open source. Maybe then universities would follow instead on building on education licenses that after graduation become very expensive. [1] https://wiki.freecadweb.org/Donate [2] https://wiki.freecadweb.o…

Have you actually used free cad for professional work?

Not me. However, my wife tried 2 years ago but failed to sync the BIM layers with dlubal RFEM. However, it seems some progress was made. So I think it it might not be there yet.

Re: Autodesk criticised by 35 named architects (2020)

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Post by daniel-cussen »

chris_wot wrote: post #98
daniel-cussen wrote: post #50

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Like if you don't even open it? Isn't the license shit only in the software when you start it up? Or do they ask for your social and link it to the box? The for sure want to.

That became an issue in Australia. There is an extensive article here: http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/journals/PrecedentAULA/2009/97....

Great article, very informative. So apparently you can always buy a box and give it back as is--though stores selling them were typically reluctant to provide refunds in general. Except with the shrink-wrap license: provided the shrink-wrap is intact, by all means you can return the box. That clarifies many things.

Re: Autodesk criticised by 35 named architects (2020)

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Post by Rackedup »

superchroma wrote: post #12
Rackedup wrote: post #3

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Blender is really nice but it isn't super easy to always get non-destructive/permanent modifications (but there might always be a way).

They're starting to lean into it now. Add-ons like HardOps have shown it's definitely possible, and I think there's a lot of interest in that space so they can rope in the parametric modelling guys.

That's great

Re: Autodesk criticised by 35 named architects (2020)

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Post by [deleted] »

superchroma wrote: post #2

I'd rather see firms chuck some money to perhaps Blender or something to get a viable alternative developed than send angry letters to the featureless monolith that is Autodesk. They're the market leader. They don't care. They already have firms by the metaphorical balls with astronomical licensing fees and know people will pay because they set the standards across many industries. In architecture, anyway, the proble…

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Re: Autodesk criticised by 35 named architects (2020)

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Post by KerrAvon »

alexashka wrote: post #100
salt-thrower wrote: post #93

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As usual, it’s success at the cost of increased user hostility. The company doesn’t care, because increasing the stock price is the only thing that matters to them, their board, and their shareholders. But it does make the lives of users worse. Companies get locked into licensing fees, students are put under ever increasing financial pressure. It’s just another example of “only stock price matters, we don’t care if u…

You realize the stock price is a reflection of people... paying for Adobe's services? It's a free market - go and use competing products that 'care'. Or if none of them 'care', maybe the problem is human nature, at which point, feel free to shake your fist at the sky and converse with whatever God figures you think are in charge :)

You’re missing the broader point of this thread — no one is denying Adobe etc are currently financially successful. They are predicting that, in time, the way they are becoming financially successful will eventually cause a significant decrease in their success.

Put another way: if I was a 15 year old just starting out, Adobe and AutoCAD would have nothing for me, and therefore I would start using other products out of necessity.

Apple got one thing right from the very start back in the late 1970’s: hooking the kids early was important. They are your future users.

Re: Autodesk criticised by 35 named architects (2020)

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Post by KerrAvon »

rjh29 wrote: post #75
semi-extrinsic wrote: post #71

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Yeah, I don't understand how these firms (especially Adobe) are so completely oblivious to what actually made them successful. One of the main reasons Photoshop and Illustrator became widely used, is that every eleven-year-old with an interest in design or photo editing would torrent these products and learn the workflows inside out. Autodesk seems to have somewhat figured this out, with Fusion360 having a free hobby…

The subscription model for Adobe actually makes photoshop more affordable for students than before, though. (Even if they pay more in the end)

I’m certain this is what Adobe marketing managers tell themselves so they can sleep better at night.

Re: Autodesk criticised by 35 named architects (2020)

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Post by NonNefarious »

daniel-cussen wrote: post #9
NonNefarious wrote: post #7

Autodesk's behavior has long been acknowledged as despicable, marked by such offenses as attacking instructional fan sites and managing to get some ignorant judge to rule in favor of their rip-off licensing scam. They claim that when you buy their software, you only buy a "perpetual license"; so if you find that you can't use the software, you can't sell it to someone else. If you tried to sell an unopened, new copy…

Really? Software sold in a box, can't resell it? Tell me more.

What more do you want to know? I just told you what they did. I put a shrink-wrapped box of Autodesk software on eBay and they threatened eBay in order to have it taken down.

Re: Autodesk criticised by 35 named architects (2020)

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Post by thenthenthen »

doublesocket wrote: post #14
superchroma wrote: post #2

I'd rather see firms chuck some money to perhaps Blender or something to get a viable alternative developed than send angry letters to the featureless monolith that is Autodesk. They're the market leader. They don't care. They already have firms by the metaphorical balls with astronomical licensing fees and know people will pay because they set the standards across many industries. In architecture, anyway, the proble…

FWIW I've enjoyed using Rhino with VisualARQ for architectural work.

Funny, I almost never see Rhino mentioned in these discussions. Yeah its 999$ but comes with Grasshopper, crazy insane parametric node based drawing (and simulation, batch exporting, and python support). Plus, it’s not Autodesk (yet) which I stopped using since I tried Fusion 360; After using it once (auto run after install) I could not find the binary next time. Apparently it installed itself in non standard directories on mac (outside spotlights scope), ouch. Not sure if thats still the case, but this malpractice not only put me off, I literally could not run it again besides reinstalling hahha
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