Arrest of suspected developer of Tornado Cash • Hacker News Board

Re: Arrest of suspected developer of Tornado Cash

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Post by phpisthebest » Sat, Aug 13, 2022, 2:23 PM UTC

vkou wrote: post #715

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We are going to have to agree to disagree on what happened in Kenosha.... Because your rendition of events as no match for what was reveled in trial, and other sources

When you're in an active situation you don't have time to wait 8 months for a trial to clear things up. Rittenhouse believed he acted in self-defense... And at the time, so did Huber, and Grosskreutz.

When your in an event the person running TOWARDS the police being chased by a mob is generally not the criminal, just saying...

I do not believe that the people who attacked Rittenhouse believed that he was an active shooter they needed to stop, not for a moment do I believe that, nor did the jury, nor did anyone else that has a rational mind

Active shooters do not run toward police with their hands up

Re: Arrest of suspected developer of Tornado Cash

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Post by aqme28 » Sat, Aug 13, 2022, 2:31 PM UTC

squeaky-clean wrote: post #485

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If you have maybe 300MM from early investments, and are a private person who doesn't want fame, then what does Satoshi's hoard actually buy you?

His unsold hoard is currently worth about 20 billion dollars.

That doesn't really answer my question. If you're a modest private person, what can you buy with 20 billion that you actually want, that you can't buy with 300 million?

Re: Arrest of suspected developer of Tornado Cash

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Post by phpisthebest » Sat, Aug 13, 2022, 2:32 PM UTC

shkkmo wrote: post #550

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To be Fair, based on the History of " restrict guns " it is clear no amount of restrictions is enough to satisfy those that want to restrict guns, confiscation and total ban is the clear end goal it is NOT "bad faith" to say that, when there is clear evidence that no matter how many times compromise is reached they return the very next day asking for more and more restrictions

Factually false, if you believe this you are in an echo chamber. Yes, there are a few who want to ban guns, but I know many people, some of whom are gun owners, who support reasonable restrictions. Trying to paint the entire movement with the views of it's most extreme members is absolutely bad faith communication.

So "gun owners" fall into 2 camps

1. Sport Shooters 2. Self Defenders

There are some that over lap, but I am not a sport shooter, i own guns exclusively for self defense, most gun owners that "support reasonable restrictions" do so because they only care about maintaining shooting sports, and are fine with restrictions because normally they are targeted to self defense uses of fire arms.

There is also a small subset of gun owners that are ignorant of the current state of law and believe rhetoric like "closing the gun show loop hole" or other such non-sense.

None of this however changes the fact that the MAJOR organizations that support gun control, and big name politicians pushing for gun control have their implicit stated goal of total ban of the most common weapons in use today, (Semi-Auto rifles and pistols with capacities greater than 8)

So sure maybe they will allow people to have a black power musket, or some other such non-sense and you believe that classifies as "not a total ban" but to me that is a total ban

Re: Arrest of suspected developer of Tornado Cash

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Post by aqme28 » Sat, Aug 13, 2022, 2:32 PM UTC

Jensson wrote: post #134

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My pet theory is that he's just one of the myriad of early developers who made hundreds of millions from crypto and keep relatively private. At that point he'd have nothing to gain and a lot to lose by revealing himself.

Basically contribution laundering, by blending in with the first 10 or so contributors and killing off his old persona he would get most of the benefits but still not get targeted as the inventor of bitcoin.

Exactly. It's consistent with the personalities of the early contributors that I've met. Private individuals who enjoy their wealth but don't seem like they really need any more.

Re: Arrest of suspected developer of Tornado Cash

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Post by Alupis » Sat, Aug 13, 2022, 3:30 PM UTC

vkou wrote: post #739

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This seems to be a complete re-writing of the facts revealed from eye witness and video accounts of the events of that evening. The jury also seems to disagree with this alternate narrative. It may be what some folks want to believe happened, but it is absolutely not the facts.

> The jury also seems to disagree with this alternate narrative. The jury decided that Rittenhouse acted in self-defense. That finding is not inconsistent with anything I said. The whole problem of firing off guns in a crowd is that everyone involved might be acting in self-defense, and yet still end up killing eachother. Life isn't a video game, or an action movie. You can't always tell who the 'bad guy' is, or even…

People do not defend themselves by chasing after and repeatedly attacking a stranger.

Re: Arrest of suspected developer of Tornado Cash

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Post by dimensionc132 » Sat, Aug 13, 2022, 3:39 PM UTC

The problem is that the devs decided to use a Microsoft service (Github) which has its jurisdiction in the US of A.

If only they had used Codeberg, this would not have been an issue at all, as Codeberg is self hosted and a free hosted version is in Germany.

Re: Arrest of suspected developer of Tornado Cash

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Post by ABeeSea » Sat, Aug 13, 2022, 3:49 PM UTC

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #592

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It’s weird the crypto people think this is a valid argument. If someone did what tornando is doing with physical cash, they would also be committing money laundering.

Tornado Cash is an anonymizer. Same as every cash drawer in every business. All kinds of money goes in - legitimate as well as illegitimate - and is mixed up together. Does shuffling a bunch of currency notes together - some of which might be from a drug dealer - make you a criminal?

If your business only exists to shuffle money, then yes.

Re: Arrest of suspected developer of Tornado Cash

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Post by JohnHaugeland » Sat, Aug 13, 2022, 3:53 PM UTC

jobs_throwaway wrote: post #646

darkcha0s wrote: post #199

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I know I will get a hail of downvotes for this, but again you're comparing apples and oranges. The operators are using crypto for a wide range of applications. Using a mixer has probably 99.9% illegal reasons and 0.1% legitimate uses. Making money laundering harder is a good thing, no matter how many people here will try to convince you it isn't.

> Making money laundering harder is a good thing, no matter how many people here will try to convince you it isn't. What a useless, puerile argument

We don't generally speak in insults here.

Re: Arrest of suspected developer of Tornado Cash

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Post by vkou » Sat, Aug 13, 2022, 5:40 PM UTC

Alupis wrote: post #765

vkou wrote: post #739

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> The jury also seems to disagree with this alternate narrative. The jury decided that Rittenhouse acted in self-defense. That finding is not inconsistent with anything I said. The whole problem of firing off guns in a crowd is that everyone involved might be acting in self-defense, and yet still end up killing eachother. Life isn't a video game, or an action movie. You can't always tell who the 'bad guy' is, or even…

People do not defend themselves by chasing after and repeatedly attacking a stranger.

People absolutely have and occasionally do rush active shooters, which is what happened in the second part of the situation.

And if you don't ever believe that confronting an active shooter is ever the correct thing to do, why do you think having a gun will help you? Take your own advice and run away, you don't need a gun to do that.

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Post by thr0w__4w4y » Sat, Aug 13, 2022, 7:23 PM UTC

sgjohnson wrote: post #753

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Wrong. Czech Republic is a shall issue country in the heart of otherwise gunless Europe. 500 year long gun tradition. The only two times gun ownership/carry was suspended during those 500 years was under Nazi and Soviet occupation. Even foreigners from friendly nations can obtain a permit and carry, not even the USA doesn’t do it. Self-defence with deadly force enshrined in the constitution. Lower homicide rates than…

> Even foreigners from friendly nations can obtain a permit and carry, not even the USA doesn’t do it. People admitted under ESTA can legally possess a firearm (state law still applies). The 2nd amendment rights are the same for Green Card holders as they are for U.S. citizens, and for everyone else there’s the hunting permit loophole. What do you mean, even the USA doesn’t do it? In Czech Republic you need to take a…

You are definitely right about this (many of my green-card friends have multiple weapons), and of course you're right about state law.

I think what parent post was saying is that in Czech Republic (national not state level), foreigners can not only obtain firearms, but also carry (presumably concealed), which as I'm guessing you also know varies widely from state to state, and here in California from county to county.

Of course I'm mind-reading here, I could be totally wrong.

When my brother-in-law and his son come visit from Switzerland they love to go shooting. In fact they get bored with my stuff and rent things with more punch (e.g. .338 Lapua). We visited a friend of mine in TX, and the things you can rent there (e.g. .50 BMG), we've only heard myths of those in CA, no one's actually ever seen one.