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Autodesk criticised by 35 named architects (2020)

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Re: Autodesk criticised by 35 named architects (2020)

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One potential source of disruption here (though I’m sure many folks will likewise feel it is frustrating to be locked into a SaaS model), is we are starting to see several intriguing startups building browser-based CAD software that are serious contenders for “the Figma of Architecture/BIM” crown, with the likes of: Arcol ( http://arcol.io ), Infurnia ( https://www.infurnia.com/ ), Qonic ( https://www.qonic.com/ ), a…

> Autodesk or simply get acquired/assimilated

This is not even a question, there is no room to wonder. Autodesk WILL buy and KILL whatever software that threatens its own.

Even in 2008, they just bought and killed one of their competitor in VFX, Softimage. Assuring everyone they wont kill it. This was a big deal. And ofc they killed it, basically telling their customers to go learn Max or Maya.

Re: Autodesk criticised by 35 named architects (2020)

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Summoning Adobe to fix a monopoly feels... Perverse. At a technical level, they might have the chops to build something from scratch, but they've more than abused their market position over the last two decades. We don't need another standard without interop. Put the engineering into open source or open standards. We can't continue with software society relies on being locked in like this.

It reminds me about a story by Philip K. Dick - Autofab. It's a story about postapocaliptic world with automated factories that do not stop to work after the work causing trouble for people. People decide to make the factories fight with each other. Let's just say it doesn't end in a good way.

Great point, and great story, with a terrible ending that illustrates the point about Adobe and Autodesk.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autofac

Philip K. Dick's Electric Dreams Episode 8 (Autofac)

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6902176/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCLlXrn840M

Re: Autodesk criticised by 35 named architects (2020)

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I'd rather see firms chuck some money to perhaps Blender or something to get a viable alternative developed than send angry letters to the featureless monolith that is Autodesk. They're the market leader. They don't care. They already have firms by the metaphorical balls with astronomical licensing fees and know people will pay because they set the standards across many industries. In architecture, anyway, the proble…

> a lot of firms think Archicad isn't industry ready It's similar in many other industries. Take InDesign, the current market leader in DTP. Say you are working on a book that has multiple indexes: index of places, index of people and so on. Well InDesign doesn't support that! This is not some fancy feature - you will find multiple indexes in many non-trivial books. But for some reason the most popular and supposedly…

InDesign is for layout, it's not for books. FrameMaker is for books.https://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker.html

Re: Autodesk criticised by 35 named architects (2020)

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I wonder whether that has its downsides though - with Google, Apple etc. being involved in development I wonder whether that hollows out the core of participating developers and functionally makes the project dependent on paid employees.

Why would you conflate the benefits of open source with a requirement for the devs to not make money? My vision is completely the opposite, the more money we pump into open source the better. We have to get out of this idea that open source is only good (and pure) when it's some dev slaving away after hours.

> Why would you conflate the benefits of open source with a requirement for the devs to not make money?

I don't think s/he meant that open source developers shouldn't make money. Just that sometime projects can be hijacked by those who pay the money. One genuine concern I can think of is if BigTech slowly pivots and slowly convert such projects into web applications that they can then rent as a service. Sure, one could fork it. But without the core developers to provide insights into the codebase, it would be a tough job.

That is why AGPL license is very important for some of us.

Re: Autodesk criticised by 35 named architects (2020)

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One potential source of disruption here (though I’m sure many folks will likewise feel it is frustrating to be locked into a SaaS model), is we are starting to see several intriguing startups building browser-based CAD software that are serious contenders for “the Figma of Architecture/BIM” crown, with the likes of: Arcol ( http://arcol.io ), Infurnia ( https://www.infurnia.com/ ), Qonic ( https://www.qonic.com/ ), a…

Why is "browser-based" a selling point here?

A browser based collaborative CAD tool appears to be a great idea. Rendering is now longer the bottleneck in computation and Nurbs data is actually lightweight. Computation heavy tasks like the geometry engine could be done locally. However developing a geometry engine or nurbs kernel is quite a challenge- harder than any game engine.

Re: Autodesk criticised by 35 named architects (2020)

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It's serving me source code... public function build_time_query( $column, $compare, $hour = null, $minute = null, $second = null ) { global $wpdb; // Have to have at least one. if ( ! isset( $hour ) && ! isset( $minute ) && ! isset( $second ) ) { return false; } What sort of failure mode causes a website to just dump the backend source? Oh it's PHP...

And as always, archive today (or an alternative) saves the day: https://archive.ph/hHiCJ

Re: Autodesk criticised by 35 named architects (2020)

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Adobe should come up with a competitor. QuarkXpress abused its customers badly with high license fees and hardware dongles and all sorts of stuff like that. When Adobe came out with InDesign, everyone switched and Quark lost its dominant position. Same thing happened to Microsoft in Mobile. People were so sick of their monopolistic behavior that they lost totally to Apple and Google when they came out with a competit…

Pagemaker had been a fairly popular alternative before it became indesign

Re: Autodesk criticised by 35 named architects (2020)

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post #61

One potential source of disruption here (though I’m sure many folks will likewise feel it is frustrating to be locked into a SaaS model), is we are starting to see several intriguing startups building browser-based CAD software that are serious contenders for “the Figma of Architecture/BIM” crown, with the likes of: Arcol ( http://arcol.io ), Infurnia ( https://www.infurnia.com/ ), Qonic ( https://www.qonic.com/ ), a…

> Autodesk or simply get acquired/assimilated This is not even a question, there is no room to wonder. Autodesk WILL buy and KILL whatever software that threatens its own. Even in 2008, they just bought and killed one of their competitor in VFX, Softimage. Assuring everyone they wont kill it. This was a big deal. And ofc they killed it, basically telling their customers to go learn Max or Maya.

What happens if an open source alternative starts to exist? You can't buy open source.

Re: Autodesk criticised by 35 named architects (2020)

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Blender is really nice but it isn't super easy to always get non-destructive/permanent modifications (but there might always be a way).

They're starting to lean into it now. Add-ons like HardOps have shown it's definitely possible, and I think there's a lot of interest in that space so they can rope in the parametric modelling guys.

A parametric sketch add-on (CAD Sketcher) is being developed. It won't replace Fusion or anything (and it's not intended to) but it convinced me to relearn polygon modeling after being away for 15 years.

Re: Autodesk criticised by 35 named architects (2020)

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Why would you conflate the benefits of open source with a requirement for the devs to not make money? My vision is completely the opposite, the more money we pump into open source the better. We have to get out of this idea that open source is only good (and pure) when it's some dev slaving away after hours.

> Why would you conflate the benefits of open source with a requirement for the devs to not make money? I don't think s/he meant that open source developers shouldn't make money. Just that sometime projects can be hijacked by those who pay the money. One genuine concern I can think of is if BigTech slowly pivots and slowly convert such projects into web applications that they can then rent as a service. Sure, one cou…

> That is why AGPL license is very important for some of us.

+1 on this (and maybe also forced-anonymous donations?). I'd like to think in the 21st century we have solutions to the "whoever holds the purse strings" paradigm. And maybe corporate strategy will begin to recognize the benefits in following them. Open tools for everyone means open (cheap) tools for businesses after all

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