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Logistics, How Did They Do It, Part III: On the Move

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Re: Logistics, How Did They Do It, Part III: On the Move

#31

the first two parts of this blog post series absolutely blew my mind and changed how I think about an army in the real world. Can't wait to read this post.

I'm gonna go back and read the first part after finding out this is the "Dothraki Horde" blogger. Loved that one.

Re: Logistics, How Did They Do It, Part III: On the Move

#32
> What will not work is overland external supply with more wagons; as discussed the animals eat food and so adding more wagons just slows the army down more and increases its food demands; that’s the tyranny of the wagon equation at work – the army cannot wagon its way out of a foraging pit.

The "tyranny of the wagon equation" is so good.

Re: Logistics, How Did They Do It, Part III: On the Move

#33
Interesting, although having most stuff in miles is not helping me. I don't understand why he keep making "what if we double the size of the army" explorations. Isn't his 20k+ army already big enough ? And if it is just to say we double everything (food, etc), well I can do the maths myself. It is also repetitive.

Re: Logistics, How Did They Do It, Part III: On the Move

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post #33

Interesting, although having most stuff in miles is not helping me. I don't understand why he keep making "what if we double the size of the army" explorations. Isn't his 20k+ army already big enough ? And if it is just to say we double everything (food, etc), well I can do the maths myself. It is also repetitive.

I think he is doubling it, because armies could be of that double or even bigger size. So, the goal is to show how it would affect everything.

Re: Logistics, How Did They Do It, Part III: On the Move

#35
post #7

Amazing work from Bret as usual, but very sad that this kind of popular/actually useful history is completely unrewarded in academia. This is far more valuable than whatever top university press book most historians write.

Bret is relying on books you consider not valuable and also has own research of that sorts.

Re: Logistics, How Did They Do It, Part III: On the Move

#36
post #3

This has been one of my favourite of his series. I've been thinking about making a game with some of my friends to model the complexity of moving an army around.

How would you deal with foraging amd looting in that game? Based on the previous parts, army can not survive without looting surrounding area every few days or without extorting them for food (and valuables).

Re: Logistics, How Did They Do It, Part III: On the Move

#38
post #33

Interesting, although having most stuff in miles is not helping me. I don't understand why he keep making "what if we double the size of the army" explorations. Isn't his 20k+ army already big enough ? And if it is just to say we double everything (food, etc), well I can do the maths myself. It is also repetitive.

The fact that there seems to be a hard cap on size of an overland army in pre-railway times is important. After all, various empires of the ancient world had hugely different population sizes; and in modern times, say, 1900, all other being equal, an empire with more people could have sent a much larger army to conquer its neighbors. That is what we expect.

But from Devereaux's studies on logistics, it seems that the premodern empires, after reaching a certain size, were "almost equal" when it came to military capability, and a lot of the (dis)advantages were on the quality side, such as good maneuvering and an ability to join two armies at precisely the same time.

It surely explains why the Romans never managed to crush the Persians, even though the Roman empire had a lot more resources to draw from. The logistics of running a really massive campaign against the East were too daunting.

Re: Logistics, How Did They Do It, Part III: On the Move

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post #9

Have enjoyed this series a lot. His whole blog is great and you can easily spend hours reading through his lengthy, well-researched posts if you have an interest in premodern military history or topics that brush up against it (i.e. strategy video games, fantasy literature, etc).

Absolutely, I was so proud of my Google skills for finding this blog three weeks ago, and now it's on top of Hackernews. The series about the decline of the Roman empire is amazing.

Funny you've never seen it on HN before, his weekly post show up on the front page almost once a month in average for the past few years. (From here[1] I've counted 8 appearance in the front page in the past 5 months)

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=acoup.blog

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