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Re: I hacked my car

#3

Don't expect much from a manufacturer who until recently didn't use immobilizers.

The "Kia Boys" in Milwaukee stole almost 10,000 cars last year, mostly Kia and Hyundai models lacking immobilizers. That's 1 car theft per 58 city residents, in a single year. This gonzo documentary on the phenomenon's worth watching:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbTrLyqL_nw57

Re: I hacked my car

#5
What would be the downside of Hyundai just making all the info in this blog post public info?

They could start fostering an app ecosystem for their cars.

And it would be an extra selling point for their cars (especially if there are apps that won't run in other cars).

And it might even turn into a new revenue stream by building an app store.

Re: I hacked my car

#6
So uh the IVI system runs a wifi network and is also on a CAN bus that allows the doors to be unlocked (https://programmingwithstyle.com/posts/howihackedmycarpart3/)? This seems like a situation that might have bad outcomes.

(To be fair I suspect the IVI isn't running unless power is turned on, which limits the number of real world threats, but it does potentially offer a new avenue for carjacking)

Re: I hacked my car

#7

Don't expect much from a manufacturer who until recently didn't use immobilizers.

In what universe is 20+ years "recently"? Actually the Hyundai I had - with an immobilizer - was made in 1995 so 27 years. Is this American thing?

Apparently some modern US Hyundai models don't have immobilizers:

https://www.thedrive.com/news/how-thieves-are-stealing-hyund...

Re: I hacked my car

#8

Don't expect much from a manufacturer who until recently didn't use immobilizers.

In what universe is 20+ years "recently"? Actually the Hyundai I had - with an immobilizer - was made in 1995 so 27 years. Is this American thing?

Immobilizers are mandatory in EU since 1998, so yes.

Re: I hacked my car

#9

Don't expect much from a manufacturer who until recently didn't use immobilizers.

In what universe is 20+ years "recently"? Actually the Hyundai I had - with an immobilizer - was made in 1995 so 27 years. Is this American thing?

https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/thefts-of-kias-and-hyun...

Hyundai Motor America:

Immobilizers became standard on all vehicles produced after November 1, 2021.

Re: I hacked my car

#10

What would be the downside of Hyundai just making all the info in this blog post public info? They could start fostering an app ecosystem for their cars. And it would be an extra selling point for their cars (especially if there are apps that won't run in other cars). And it might even turn into a new revenue stream by building an app store.

There are some things you don't want to run apps on, even if they're sandboxed, which isn't the case here - I would count "computer in my car that can talk to the stuff that makes it go" as one of these things.
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