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Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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Post by daniel-cussen »

elil17 wrote: post #256
CrHn3 wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMO, the biggest risk is infant exposure. Infants are exposed to more micro plastics than adults [1]. Bottle fed babies may be exposed to over 1.5 million particles of microplastics per day on average [2]. We avoid plastic in our kitchen (especially heating it in the dishwasher and microwave) but plastic is difficult to get away from when pumping breast milk. All pumps on the market, aside from silicone hand pumps, h…

That’s certainly troubling but it’s different from chemicals like PFAS and plasticizers. Those are things with known risks. We don’t know what microplastics do to human biology.

Uh, just because I haven't undergone starburns (nuclear explosion burns, they're like sunburns but they pierce the skin) from a weird new metal doesn't mean it's safe. On the contrary, it's unsafe, and you have no idea what the fuck to do about it. At least PFAS and plasticizers, like the Teflon pan I talk about, I can say, OK this chemical is too good to be true, in that it has amazing non-stick properties and simultaneously will harm my masculinity hormonally, on a par with a kick in the testicles for every scratch. I just have to respect it very, very much and it will be useful to me.

Whereas microplastics, you don't know how to deflect or stop the harm. You're like a starburned Hiroshima resident, you realize those guys consistently got shit advice from their doctors, those doctors were of no benefit, fucking waste of money? And as always, like in the Bible for instance, it's very rare for a doctor ever to tell you he's a fucking waste of money. Became a doctor out of love of money, in America at least, it's uniformly like that. Only the greed can get med students through the hazing. I know doctors who also help people, don't just make a lot of money, but they still actually do make a lot of money, they just help people too.

Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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Post by tptacek »

rayiner wrote: post #226
pmulard wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I cook eggs on cast iron without them sticking, but it requires maintenance on the seasoning. The trick is to use some butter when cooking with eggs, and they slide right off. A quick wipe with a paper towel and the pan is clean (leaving butter residue helps keep it oiled for next time). Cast iron is a pain to clean if you burn food and the burnt pieces stick, but the investment into learning how to cook with it is w…

I do the same except I use ghee. My grandparents all lived to their 80s in Bangladesh and at this point I’m just trying to do what they did instead of trusting western science. (Aside from vaccines put the pitchforks away.)

What does using ghee in a cast iron pan have to do with western science? Any fat in a cast iron pan will work.

Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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Post by rayiner »

tptacek wrote: post #352
rayiner wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do the same except I use ghee. My grandparents all lived to their 80s in Bangladesh and at this point I’m just trying to do what they did instead of trusting western science. (Aside from vaccines put the pitchforks away.)

What does using ghee in a cast iron pan have to do with western science? Any fat in a cast iron pan will work.

It doesn’t. That’s the point.

Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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Post by tresqotheq »

elil17 wrote: post #2

The study didn’t actually find anything related to cookware. Modern Teflon in the US doesn’t expose people to PFOA/PFOS like old version did due to new regulations. The chemicals could also be entering peoples body’s through drinking water or bioaccumulation in meat or plants. You should throw away nonstick cookware from before 2013, but new nonstick cookware sold in the US does not have PFOA. I believe the EU follow…

> The brand Teflon replaced PFOA with GenX, a different fluorosurfactant that's probably worse than PFOA

"regrettable substitution" as they call it,

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/harmful-c...

Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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Post by refurb »

daniel-cussen wrote: post #351
elil17 wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s certainly troubling but it’s different from chemicals like PFAS and plasticizers. Those are things with known risks. We don’t know what microplastics do to human biology.

Uh, just because I haven't undergone starburns (nuclear explosion burns, they're like sunburns but they pierce the skin) from a weird new metal doesn't mean it's safe. On the contrary, it's unsafe, and you have no idea what the fuck to do about it. At least PFAS and plasticizers, like the Teflon pan I talk about, I can say, OK this chemical is too good to be true, in that it has amazing non-stick properties and simul…

We literally implant plastic objects into people. Those have undergone clinical trials for safety.

Could microplastics cause harm? Maybe. Do we have evidence they or a mechanism by which that harm would occur? No.

Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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Post by ce4 »

elil17 wrote: post #2

The study didn’t actually find anything related to cookware. Modern Teflon in the US doesn’t expose people to PFOA/PFOS like old version did due to new regulations. The chemicals could also be entering peoples body’s through drinking water or bioaccumulation in meat or plants. You should throw away nonstick cookware from before 2013, but new nonstick cookware sold in the US does not have PFOA. I believe the EU follow…

I switched to enamel non-stick pans and iron pans, and for me eggs work best when cooked with lard instead of vegetable oil. Lard went somewhat out of favor but i find it better for pan cooking than oil: probably due to the higher viscosity it creates a stabler lubrication film that doesn't break down as easily as that of cooking oil. Works even with stainless steel pans. Downside: different "lard" taste and the grease is harder to wash off your hands.

Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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Post by rootw0rm »

trafficante wrote: post #271
MengerSponge wrote: post #245

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For people who care: thermopaper receipts are absolutely loaded with BPA. Cashiers have measurably higher serum BPA levels, because they touch them all day long. I generally don't take or touch receipts if I can avoid it, but I don't treat them like they're radioactive. The dose makes the poison, and I haven't figured out how to completely eliminate them and still function in society.

With the initial Covid protocols training everybody into becoming constant receptacles for hand sanitizer, thermal receipt paper is probably worth being concerned about at this point. Using hand sanitizer increases the absorption rate of BPA and other chemicals by a factor of 100 or more - https://www.newsweek.com/hand-sanitizer-speed-absorption-bpa...

as a random aside...sanitizer reacts instantly with thermal paper, darkening the paper

Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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Post by martingoodson »

ornornor wrote: post #349
pmulard wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I cook eggs on cast iron without them sticking, but it requires maintenance on the seasoning. The trick is to use some butter when cooking with eggs, and they slide right off. A quick wipe with a paper towel and the pan is clean (leaving butter residue helps keep it oiled for next time). Cast iron is a pain to clean if you burn food and the burnt pieces stick, but the investment into learning how to cook with it is w…

My only problem is making sauces and tomato based dishes. In both cases the sauce penetrated the pan (and sticks). Tomato anything is also problematic because it’s acidic and doesn’t do the cast iron or carbon steel pans any favor. Would love to hear a workaround if anyone knows one though because I want to ditch the Teflon oan.

I use a stainless steel pan for sauces. Sauces start with a base of onions, garlic etc which is not prone to sticking on stainless steel.

If I need to fry some fish or steak, I use my cast iron frying pan.

Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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Post by rootw0rm »

ce4 wrote: post #356
elil17 wrote: post #2

The study didn’t actually find anything related to cookware. Modern Teflon in the US doesn’t expose people to PFOA/PFOS like old version did due to new regulations. The chemicals could also be entering peoples body’s through drinking water or bioaccumulation in meat or plants. You should throw away nonstick cookware from before 2013, but new nonstick cookware sold in the US does not have PFOA. I believe the EU follow…

I switched to enamel non-stick pans and iron pans, and for me eggs work best when cooked with lard instead of vegetable oil. Lard went somewhat out of favor but i find it better for pan cooking than oil: probably due to the higher viscosity it creates a stabler lubrication film that doesn't break down as easily as that of cooking oil. Works even with stainless steel pans. Downside: different "lard" taste and the grea…

cast iron + butter is waaaay better

Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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Post by rootw0rm »

shadowtamperer wrote: post #213
acomjean wrote: post #117

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We've been using carbon steel pan. Its like cast iron but much lighter (not light though). They look kinda narly, but you get used to it. You "season" from time to time (oil high heat) but we haven't in at least 6 months and use that thing at least 6 times a week. Easy to clean too. This article kinda give the details. (you have to dodge a modal and click "read more"...sorry) https://www.cooksillustrated.com/equipmen…

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