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Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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I appreciate you updating your comment with an informed update that contradicted your initial argument. When a consumer chemical is discovered to be harmful, there's a tendency from companies to ask their research chemists to come up with a new chemical that shares the same beneficial properties but without the baggage of the provably dangerous chemical. There's a VERY good chance that the new chemical simply hasn't…

Yeah the BPA free thing is ridiculous, just replaced it with some other molecules that are tweaked and not very studied.

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Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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I'm not a material scientist, but the two are constructed very differently. Tetrapaks are laminated, meaning that various layers of solid materials are glued together. Think of it as a sticker on something. For cans, the epoxy is a liquid coating that's applied by spraying or roller coating, more like paint.

And, for the cans, it then cures in place. The BPA is like a catalyst and doesn't bind with the material, which is what allows it to leach out so well. Polyethylene, in addition to being a safer molecule, uses catalysts which don't end up in the final product, which means you can't be exposed to them.

“Leach out so well”. Sounds like you never read the studies around how it leaches, lol.

Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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Can you elaborate ? What's wrong with cans ? If they're aren't just aliminum what are they coated with on the inside ? How would tetrapak fare better ?

Aluminum cans are lined with plastic - https://youtu.be/xBQEnVR7y9k

For good reason. Fucking troll.

Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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I appreciate you updating your comment with an informed update that contradicted your initial argument. When a consumer chemical is discovered to be harmful, there's a tendency from companies to ask their research chemists to come up with a new chemical that shares the same beneficial properties but without the baggage of the provably dangerous chemical. There's a VERY good chance that the new chemical simply hasn't…

There's two diners in my town who have the best root beer, it's barqs, but it's served in mason jars. Soda tastes better, anything tastes better in a glass container. Even aluminum canned soda has an aluminum taste, plastic bottles have an after taste. Maybe we need to ditch plastic and aluminum packaging for bottles like we used to. I still buy plenty of drinks in plastic but if I have an option for the same price I…

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Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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The study didn’t actually find anything related to cookware. Modern Teflon in the US doesn’t expose people to PFOA/PFOS like old version did due to new regulations. The chemicals could also be entering peoples body’s through drinking water or bioaccumulation in meat or plants. You should throw away nonstick cookware from before 2013, but new nonstick cookware sold in the US does not have PFOA. I believe the EU follow…

Would brita help for drinking water?

Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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The most important thing I learned about cast iron is that the idea that you have to baby it is a hold over from the days when soap had lye in it. Today’s dish detergent is fine and won’t damage your seasoning, neither will basic green nylon scrubbing sponges. I was almost despondent about my carefully seasoned pans not delivering until I really went to town on them and removed the dull layer of burned on material an…

The biggest thing to remember after washing with detergent and water is the same thing to remember after just rinsing: dry it thoroughly. The easiest way to do that is to wipe it down with a towel and/or leave it on the heat for a bit. Then apply a bit of oil.

you need to heat the oil so it polymerizes and creates a strong nonstick bond. if you simply wipe it with oil when it's hot it will get sticky and not season properly.

Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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For folks having issues with food sticking to cast iron or carbon steel, try learning to cook on stainless. It's much more prone to sticking, but if you can get the technique down well enough to not have eggs stick on stainless then switch to cast it's a walk in the park.

Tomatoes+Onions+Eggs, anything watery or sour = stainless with some drops of olive oil Meat, Potatoes = cast iron with sunflower oil anything else (crepes, pan cakes) = carbon steel with either canola or sunflower oil To prevent eggs to stick putting some onion rings or slices of ginger helps. The most difficult is to get good non-oily crepes.

There's also blue steel, which I think is just a fancy carbon steel. We have a crepe pan made out of it, and the crepes never came out oily. Truth be told, it doesn't get much use anymore. But it was definitely the easiest for crepes.

Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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Would it not be better to switch to glass? Isn't tetrapak lined with plastic too?

Glass packaged tuna and tomatoes are very expensive compared to tetrapaks. They are lined with plastic but it doesn’t use hardening agents as I understand.

Is there any technical reason why cans use BPA and Tetrapak not?

Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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The study didn’t actually find anything related to cookware. Modern Teflon in the US doesn’t expose people to PFOA/PFOS like old version did due to new regulations. The chemicals could also be entering peoples body’s through drinking water or bioaccumulation in meat or plants. You should throw away nonstick cookware from before 2013, but new nonstick cookware sold in the US does not have PFOA. I believe the EU follow…

I cook eggs on cast iron without them sticking, but it requires maintenance on the seasoning. The trick is to use some butter when cooking with eggs, and they slide right off. A quick wipe with a paper towel and the pan is clean (leaving butter residue helps keep it oiled for next time). Cast iron is a pain to clean if you burn food and the burnt pieces stick, but the investment into learning how to cook with it is w…

My only problem is making sauces and tomato based dishes. In both cases the sauce penetrated the pan (and sticks). Tomato anything is also problematic because it’s acidic and doesn’t do the cast iron or carbon steel pans any favor. Would love to hear a workaround if anyone knows one though because I want to ditch the Teflon oan.

Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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The study didn’t actually find anything related to cookware. Modern Teflon in the US doesn’t expose people to PFOA/PFOS like old version did due to new regulations. The chemicals could also be entering peoples body’s through drinking water or bioaccumulation in meat or plants. You should throw away nonstick cookware from before 2013, but new nonstick cookware sold in the US does not have PFOA. I believe the EU follow…

My attitude to Teflon is any harm to the pan is a kick in the balls to me. Because of the incredibly harmful effect on testosterone, it mimics testosterone hormone--almost identical shape, so what it does is it gets in the testosterone receptors and makes men less masculine. And it gets lodged in there. I suspect it's a driving factor in the surge of transexuality and male infertility (low sperm counts etc) because it's fucking everywhere and can impede masculinization very directly. Because the thing is, if you're going to be a man, you better be a hell of a man--then you get all the rewards--but if you're defective, not quite as resourceful, tolerant to pain, audacious, quick (testosterone increases your brain speed a bit), or like have a weaker frame, receding jaw, any one of dozens of signature flaws you get treated so much worse. So compromising masculinity--in particular what's called the brain waves, what that is is partly brain waves, which determine frequency of the brain, so you end up a bit slower, like 6 Hz instead of 7 Hz. Huge role in determining how much respect you get as a man. Second testosterone alters the brain, so more risk-seeking more pain-tolerant, and frequently, toxic masculinity ie plotting ways to take advantage of women, or more violent, or more dead-set on premeditated crime.

Teflon is also bad for women, who also produce and need testosterone in their own smaller quantities, it eg helps them be toned and thin, and is insufficient to trigger eg facial hair development. And I think when they are expecting a boy, there's something going on there, their testosterone helps that boy develop properly, not sure.

It's just a remarkable chemical that is great for bacon and eggs. So just super conservative with it, never put it under anything, only cook with a dedicated plastic thing, never permit anyone do anything with it. And guess what? It's just as effective--exactly as effective--as it was when I bought it, I successfully protected the surface and my masculinity with my conservative attitude toward it.

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