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An open letter to the Tesla fan who wants to run over a kid

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Re: An open letter to the Tesla fan who wants to run over a kid

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Post by mrjin »

Shank wrote: post #19
Veserv wrote: post #16

The person in question has already written a response to the open letter: https://twitter.com/WholeMarsBlog/status/1558122848601812993

> I’ll run over as many kids as I want and you can’t stop me!! I'm actually not expecting the Tesla to run over the child (because either it will stop, or the driver will intervene and slam on the brakes or avoid the child). But it also gives me 100% confidence that this person is the exact wrong person to perform any scientific test of the system to even remotely validate its safety.

Anything can go wrong, will (eventually) go wrong.

Re: An open letter to the Tesla fan who wants to run over a kid

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Post by chihuahua »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #40
Veserv wrote: post #16

The person in question has already written a response to the open letter: https://twitter.com/WholeMarsBlog/status/1558122848601812993

Does a proximity to Elon Musk make people forget that optics are a thing? Yeah this is a dumb joke, making a dumb joke about running over children still makes you look like an asshole.

In the Muskiverse, that's called "being edgy", and it's considered a good thing.

Re: An open letter to the Tesla fan who wants to run over a kid

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Post by Lendal »

superchroma wrote: post #30
tsol wrote: post #29

Why would you use a real child? That's so dumb

The car would know otherwise. It has to be real or the car won't take the exercise seriously.

Even if the AI could tell the difference between a cardboard cutout and a human, I still wouldn't want my car to run over a cardboard cutout, or a box, or anything else on the road. I don't trust it because I know first-hand that Tesla FSD consistently runs over both large pieces of debris and large potholes in the roadway that every other vehicle on the road avoids. So yeah, I don't trust the car is smart enough to avoid hitting anything other than another vehicle or bicyclist. I don't rely on it at all. It was a waste of $10,000. After two years' experience with FSD, I absolutely would not buy FSD again if I were buying another Tesla right now. But I still don't believe it's something for lawmakers to get involved in.

Re: An open letter to the Tesla fan who wants to run over a kid

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Post by imgabe »

mrjin wrote: post #39
mysterydip wrote: post #31

How many times would you need to test it to verify it worked? Different time of day, weather, lighting, etc could change the outcome.

Actually it doesn't matter how many times it has been verified working properly. One single failure would be more than enough...

Hmm, has there been one single failure of a human driver hitting a child?

Re: An open letter to the Tesla fan who wants to run over a kid

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Post by superchroma »

dieselgate wrote: post #36
superchroma wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The car would know otherwise. It has to be real or the car won't take the exercise seriously.

This is sarcasm and not actually true right? Presumably a full self driving car wouldn't run into a stray shopping cart in the parking lot

Yes, it's humor.

Re: An open letter to the Tesla fan who wants to run over a kid

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Post by superchroma »

Lendal wrote: post #44
superchroma wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The car would know otherwise. It has to be real or the car won't take the exercise seriously.

Even if the AI could tell the difference between a cardboard cutout and a human, I still wouldn't want my car to run over a cardboard cutout, or a box, or anything else on the road. I don't trust it because I know first-hand that Tesla FSD consistently runs over both large pieces of debris and large potholes in the roadway that every other vehicle on the road avoids. So yeah, I don't trust the car is smart enough to…

Personally I wouldn't be relying on a car not to hit anything at all, at least, not in this decade. To me, it seems like a last chance dice roll, to lean on the scales a bit and maybe help in a case where I mess up.

Re: An open letter to the Tesla fan who wants to run over a kid

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Post by suid »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #40
Veserv wrote: post #16

The person in question has already written a response to the open letter: https://twitter.com/WholeMarsBlog/status/1558122848601812993

Does a proximity to Elon Musk make people forget that optics are a thing? Yeah this is a dumb joke, making a dumb joke about running over children still makes you look like an asshole.

Musk has that quality that Steve Jobs had - the so-called RDF or "Reality Distortion Field". Proximity to Musk seems to scramble a lot of people's minds and thought processes.

Re: An open letter to the Tesla fan who wants to run over a kid

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Post by suid »

I mean, it's not even that hard to put together a child-size dummy of ballistic gel (a la Mythbusters). Doesn't have to be a work of art, and it should be indistinguishable from the real thing (in terms of radar signature, etc).

Why not just have someone put one on a low cart and drag it along the road in front of your speeding Tesla, and beta-test it that way? Isn't Tesla doing that?

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