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Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer
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Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer
#282It does not look cool but vapor cooking is a miracle. It is fast, it is clean, it preserves nutriments. People who like to "cook" don't like it because they can't perform their magic rituals. Cooking has always seemed something very religious to me... Cooking some stuff for a long time, adding secret ingredients supposedly to give "extra" taste... Putting stuff on the pan, then turning on the oven jsut to melt a laye…
Are literally talking about steaming food?
Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer
#283Earlier quoted context omitted.
I do not trust BPA-free plastics either. I have switched from cans to tetrapaks where possible. My confusion came from some misleading industry documents I read which suggested that PFOA/PFOS/C8 had been replaced with a process that did not require fluorosurfactants. I feel like the information about these chemicals is so confusing, it's hard for a non-chemist like me to understand.
Can you elaborate ? What's wrong with cans ? If they're aren't just aliminum what are they coated with on the inside ? How would tetrapak fare better ?
Food cans are made of steel, only drink cans are made of aluminium.
Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer
#284How do people feel about the GreenPan products?
I've not heard of GreenPan before, so I took a look at their website [1]
There is not a whole lot of information available on their site.
From the Thermolon™ page[2]:
> ...contains zero harmful chemicals. > PFAS, Lead, Cadmium, etc., are not put into it.
> Thermolon is based on a derivative of sand that is transformed into a sprayable solution through a sol-gel process. Zero harmful PFAS chemicals are involved in that process.
Great, but what chemicals are used in their products? What do they ACTUALLY put in the coating?
Why trust a company like this? If you're worried, then just learn to cook and use cast-iron, copper, stainless steel.
1. https://greenpan.com.au/ 2. https://greenpan.com.au/pages/thermolon
Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer
#285Earlier quoted context omitted.
I appreciate you updating your comment with an informed update that contradicted your initial argument. When a consumer chemical is discovered to be harmful, there's a tendency from companies to ask their research chemists to come up with a new chemical that shares the same beneficial properties but without the baggage of the provably dangerous chemical. There's a VERY good chance that the new chemical simply hasn't…
There's two diners in my town who have the best root beer, it's barqs, but it's served in mason jars. Soda tastes better, anything tastes better in a glass container. Even aluminum canned soda has an aluminum taste, plastic bottles have an after taste. Maybe we need to ditch plastic and aluminum packaging for bottles like we used to. I still buy plenty of drinks in plastic but if I have an option for the same price I…
Wait, barqs is sending mason jar root beer from the factory direct to the diner?
Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer
#286I threw out all my "surfaced" cookware years ago and replaced everything with stainless steel.
"Surfaced" cookware loses its surface after a period of time. Where did it go? Well into your food of course, and into you.
Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer
#287Day late and a quintillion healthcare dollars short https://youtu.be/NJFbsWX4MJM https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Devil_We_Know
Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer
#288Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why take the risk for a minor convenience? Get stainless steel cookware and you’ll quickly learn how to avoid sticking by controlling temperature.
Not really. And I say this as someone who owns and frequently cooks with stainless steel, cast iron, and non-stick, I have for decades and also worked in a professional kitchen at one point. Some things are always better in stainless or cast iron... I tend towards meats in cast iron and veggies in stainless, though it really depends. Other things are easiest in nonstick, but can be learned in stainless, like eggs sun…
How tf do I do stainless sunny-side up without them sticking all over the bottom of the pan? I can do scrambled perfectly with no sticking at all[0], but sunny side up is a mystery. Can't get the whites cooked through without cooking most of the yolk/overcooking bottoms of whites. I cook eggs every morning.
[0] the trick is getting the pan hot enough for a water flick to jump and dance before putting oil or butter in.
Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer
#289Earlier quoted context omitted.
Indeed. Any kind of burning or charring of food is causing really complex chemistry, and with organic molecules will likely produce aromatics, etc. (benzene is the prototypical aromatic and is present in cooking oil fumes: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4029104/ ). I think about this a lot when we’re cautioned about the presence of extremely minuscule amounts of industrial chemicals, some of the same th…
What I find odd is usually our bodies are extremely good at warning us of a lot of dangers. Things that are bitter don’t eat. Things that smell very fowl maybe don’t want to eat. But barbecued food smell and taste so good with a slight char on the outside. Our senses let us down if they truly are bad for you.
Well, they're better for you than salmonella.
Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer
#290Earlier quoted context omitted.
yes, PFAS based chemicals are the replacement for wax in 'waxed paper' style products.
Source?
"Paper/paperboard food packaging: PFAS may be used as grease-proofing agents in fast-food wrappers, microwave popcorn bags, take-out paperboard containers, and pet food bags to prevent oil and grease from foods from leaking through the packaging."
https://www.fda.gov/food/chemical-contaminants-food/authoriz...