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Re: Arrest of suspected developer of Tornado Cash

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Post by throwaway742 »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #583
alangibson wrote: post #570

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> Taking some leads to all No it doesn't. Here in Austria, only cops have pistols and semiautomatic arms virtually don't exist. However most of the guys I know have at least one hunting rifle.

Ever growing restrictions start creeping in. In many US states where handguns are hard to acquire it is now difficult to buy small caliber rifle ammunition that can be used in some handguns.

Take for example California's "safe handgun roster". They added a new rule that for every one pistol that is added three are removed. It's hard to construe that regulation as anything other than a backdoor attempt at banning pistols.

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Post by notch656a »

mulmen wrote: post #644
notch656a wrote: post #638

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Events such as the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising showed some Jews really were willing to defend themselves with arms. The Jews were not cowards and the characterization as people who won't "mount resistance" is woefully wrong. It may be true they may have not been able to successfully overthrow the Nazis, but it is possible some of the oppressed may have survived another 10 or 15 minutes (in the Warsaw Ghetto, days) after i…

> The Jews were not cowards and your characterization as people who won't "mount resistance" is woefully wrong. Careful. I pasted a quote. Those are not my words. I didn't accuse anyone of being cowardly.

Glad to know you're distancing yourself from the absurd opinion of this wikipedia article, which totally is a quote you never meant to support even though you intentionally framed it as part of your counterargument to the "tired" nazi gun control argument. I changed it to "the" rather than "your."

Re: Arrest of suspected developer of Tornado Cash

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Post by colechristensen »

phyalow wrote: post #600
colechristensen wrote: post #475

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Starting a money laundrymat and expecting not to get charged with a crime is a bit absurd. Pretending that it's totally fine because it's "privacy" not money laundering because crypto is special... is likewise absurd.

Starting a gun manufacturing company and expecting not to get charged with a crime is a bit absurd. Pretending that it's totally fine because it's "for hunting" not "murder" because guns are special... is likewise absurd.

Having a tool to shoot someone is a right written into the US constitution. There are a variety of circumstances where you are within your rights to use this deadly force.

Tools to hide the source or destination of funds, i.e. to launder money, are not legal anywhere and explicitly illegal in various ways. Providing them as a service to others is explicitly illegal.

Building, selling, owning, and using a gun are all legal in general, only specific ways of doing those things are not.

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Post by MaysonL »

pitaj wrote: post #581
MaysonL wrote: post #554

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To be fair, banning guns seems to also ban mass shootings.

At face value, it may seem to, but whether it practically would, in the US especially, is a totally different question.

Are there countries where guns have been banned, and mass shootings increase? Are there countries where banned guns have been allowed, and mass shootings increased?

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Post by ShamelessC »

whatisweb3 wrote: post #495
mint2 wrote: post #469

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Okay so you’re saying NFTs are absolutely meaningless, what the holder solely owns is a 256 bit integer and absolutely nothing else? Anyway, in this case unlike debatably with nfts, there is concrete value tied to possessing knowledge of the integer so acting like it’s just sharing random numbers is deceptive and rather easily detected deception. resorting to deceptive arguments generally makes people turn against th…

The point is: the protocol encrypts a private key, a private key is an integer, or text hash. Saying that it is OK to build tools that encrypt text, like Matrix protocol, but it is not OK to build tools that encrypt private-keys-as-text is a slippery slope. Which one is it? - privacy is a right, and people should be allowed to share knowledge privately or, - privacy is not a right, and people should only be allowed t…

Repeating an argument _verbatim_ this many times just comes across as patronizing. We get it. You think numbers can’t be outlawed. You’re wrong and in general, pedantry/technicalities about theoretical computer science is _not_ going to help you when considering human power structures.

Someone else has told you this already, but you seem intent on ignoring it.

Re: Arrest of suspected developer of Tornado Cash

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Post by colechristensen »

TechBro8615 wrote: post #613
colechristensen wrote: post #475

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Starting a money laundrymat and expecting not to get charged with a crime is a bit absurd. Pretending that it's totally fine because it's "privacy" not money laundering because crypto is special... is likewise absurd.

It’s more like you gave away a DIY laundromat kit for free, which some people used to make laundromats, and other people used to launder money. Example of a “legitimate” use case for tumbling: your employer pays you in Bitcoin and you don’t want them to know where you spend the money they give you. A public ledger means anyone can read it, not just the government. And so anonymizing your transactions means hiding the…

If you don't want your transactions to be public, don't use a public ledger. You don't get to launder your money because you chose to use a ridiculous tool that made your transactions public and readable by anybody who has ever transacted with you or who can convince someone who did to tell them who you are.

Tornado Cash wasn't free, there was a fee which as I understand it was sent back to various developers.

Money laundering doesn't get to be something else and totally fine just because it's covering for a weakness of cryptocurrencies.

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Post by [deleted] »

alangibson wrote: post #577
WFHRenaissance wrote: post #548

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No ban, just increasingly restrictive laws on ownership and use that end up resulting in something tantamount to a ban. Look at gun ownership in most countries in Europe if you want an idea of what the future could look like. Then give some thought to what Europe was like in the early 20th century!

As is typical, you know nothing of what you are talking about. Most guys I know here in the Austria boonies have a hunting rifle. You might want to actually look at gun ownership numbers before repeating tired and very wrong Right talking points

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Re: Arrest of suspected developer of Tornado Cash

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Post by babypuncher »

preseinger wrote: post #677
akomtu wrote: post #663

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If reincarnation exists, I hope that such people who are busy restricting others freedoms get all assembled together on a big island where they all get to live a very long life restricting each other to the ground, and when their nation makes Orwell blush, they get to live another 1500 years, enjoying each others company in a zero-freedom society, until they finally learn that it's not their f-ing business messing wi…

The only place on earth where gun ownership is considered a freedom rather than a threat to civil society is America.

At best, gun ownership should be viewed as a regulated privilege not unlike driving on public roads.

Everyone who drives has to be licensed to do so. There are different licenses controlling the use of larger vehicles on public roads. There are safety requirements vehicles must meet in order to be street legal. Every vehicle has a unique registration number tied to the owner.

All of these regulations have made driving considerably safer today than it was 80 years ago.

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Post by notch656a »

alangibson wrote: post #571
MrPatan wrote: post #522

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Like how the Assault Weapons Ban in 94 in the US is leading to the complete and total restriction of guns in the US.

Laughable. Nearly 30 years later someone shot up a school with an AR-15. Yep, that government gun grab is riiight around the corner

Gun ownership has a long-term downward trend. Part of this is non-government factors like change in population from rural to urban, changing demographics, occupations, etc. But we can't rule out that part of this drop may be contributed by the additional barriers placed, such as great expansion of who is a felon, expansion of domestic violence firearm restrictions including some local agencies charging someone every single time a policeman is called out for DV no matter what actually happened, NICS (which can wrongly deny people who then have to appeal), increasingly difficult to navigate carry laws such as the gun-free-school-zone act that can incriminate someone for merely being within 1000 feet of a school with a gun. The no-fault divorce era has also seen the weaponization of spousal restraining orders during divorce, which have the effect to disarm while also being a bargaining chip and ace during divorce proceedings and a way to beat down your spouse with the court by leaving them helpless and disarmed even in many cases where the spouse has done nothing criminal. And then there is the attack on anyone who happens to have guns and gasp pot at the same time, as is seen in the federal charges against "FPS russia" who was disarmed because the feds didn't like he smoked a vape pen with his girlfriend.

There seems to be a somewhat slow boil in the United States, starting with the NFA, then the GCA, the hughes amendment, and a myriad of state and local laws.

https://www.norc.org/PDFs/GSS%20Reports/GSS_Trends%20in%20Gu...

Re: Arrest of suspected developer of Tornado Cash

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Post by namecheapTA »

alangibson wrote: post #577
WFHRenaissance wrote: post #548

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No ban, just increasingly restrictive laws on ownership and use that end up resulting in something tantamount to a ban. Look at gun ownership in most countries in Europe if you want an idea of what the future could look like. Then give some thought to what Europe was like in the early 20th century!

As is typical, you know nothing of what you are talking about. Most guys I know here in the Austria boonies have a hunting rifle. You might want to actually look at gun ownership numbers before repeating tired and very wrong Right talking points

Austrians owning guns is only helping his point about not having guns during ww2 being a problem.
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